Hacking Your Health
Hacking Your Health Podcast with Ben Canning and Dave Kennedy - Two guys setting out to hack body, mind, business and beyond. We are here to provide a single source, bullshit free guide to understanding your body and how you can live better, for longer.
Hacking Your Health
The System Reboot Begins: Endgame V2 Now Recruiting.
Endgame is back - and it’s bigger, sharper, and more powerful than ever.
In this episode, Ben and Dave pull back the curtain on Endgame Volume 2, the 12-month coaching system built specifically for high-performing misfits in cybersecurity, tech, and beyond.
You’ll hear:
- Why most people aren’t actually ready to change and how Endgame fixes that
- The full breakdown of the System Initiation phase (mindset, gut health, sleep, hormones, stress, habits, and more)
- How the new team structure frees up Ben to level up the program even further
- Real talk on expectations, transformation timelines, and sustainable change
- Why this isn’t just about fat loss—it’s a complete system upgrade
Plus, Dave shares the final results of his fat loss phase, and how this round felt totally different thanks to the mindset shifts built over time.
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Yo, hey, what's up everybody. Welcome to Hacking Health Podcast. I'm your host, ben Connolly, with Dave Kennedy. Yo, Yo, what's up everybody. What's up everybody. We are back. Uh, we had a couple of a couple of technical difficulties the last time we tried to record this, so hopefully we make it through this time yeah, the uh, the bandwidth at uh trust tech headquarters being sucked up by all of my employees on the vpn. So I was gonna record a podcast.
Speaker 2:So you go, guys, doing fucking work I was so bad, I was getting like like 60 megs down. So, just to you know, just the full transparency, I'm upgrading our circuits to 10 gigs. So I think they're at two right now, they're at three. We're upgrading the 10 gigs now. So, uh, you know, it's like when you're the boss, uh, you get to say like, hey, this can never happen again. Let's, uh, let's up our, let's up our bandwidth tenfold. Uh to uh, to make sure that there's never any lag, to make sure that we can record this podcast.
Speaker 2:Just so we can record this podcast. We're back.
Speaker 1:We are back, Right dude. So, what's going on?
Speaker 2:Listen, we're a week out from my vacation going to Hawaii for a couple of weeks and kind of reliving when I was stationed there in the Marines and showing the kids Pearl Harbor and Marine Corps Base Hawaii and a bunch of other stuff where we used to stay at in our old town in Kailua. So really excited for the trip and I am as lean as I have ever been in my entire life, so that's a pretty bold statement right there. So it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, it's a huge statement, but I feel like that was the goal, like whenever we set out in this fat loss phase, that was what we said we would do.
Speaker 2:And we did it, didn't we?
Speaker 1:we set out in this fat loss phase. That was what we said we would do, and we did it, didn't we?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean, talk us through where you're at, where you're at Well, currently at 216 pounds, which, for a person of my stature of being six four, with the amount of muscle mass I have is, is extremely lean.
Speaker 2:Um, you know my uh, my in-body scanner says I'm three and a half percent body fat, which I know is not correct, but it ends up being around five to six points off. So it has me essentially at sub 10% body fat, which is pretty amazing. I don't think I've ever been that low before. In fact, I know I've never been that low before, and it's crazy because I was doing a push day today, basically upper legs and so, but I hit 315 and it went up super simple, uh, and then I'm inclined chest press or bench press, uh and um, and it went up super, super easy. So I mean, like, the muscles still stay in there, the uh, the strength is still there, my energy levels are still great, um, so the cut has been going good and I just saw a picture of you recently. You're looking, looking extremely lean as well, my friend I'm gonna thank you.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna share a um observation that I had just like, just actually before you posted your picture, because I have also just got training finished training upper body legs and I took a picture and it's so funny the the mentality that you have the more that you do this. So I looked at the picture and I was like I was going to post it and I was like could be better, I'll wait. But it's funny because, like, if I think back to myself, like I actually went back and I had a look and I've lost 25 pounds in this fat loss phase and I was like there was it's almost not long ago, like within this phase, that I was happy to post a picture. But the closer I get to the goal, yeah, the more I'm like nitpicking on those things. I was like, well, I could do a little bit better and I've been waiting. But yeah, I mean, things are good.
Speaker 1:I was 201 points this morning. I think I posted this on the tweet box and I'll just double check, but I think I pretty much estimated by the end of this I'd be at 200 exactly. So we are close. We are close, my friend.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. It's funny. I'm actually really upset. So you know how, if anybody's ever watched any of our podcasts for the past probably three to four years, I'm almost always wearing a Noble t-shirt. And so Noble just came out with these new shirts that are basically the same thing but they have the only difference is same colors and everything but they have a little icon on the back, a little tiny little icon on the back. But they must've changed their sizes because an extra large is like super baggy on me and I'm so upset because, like Noble's like my only shirt that I ever wear, and now it doesn't like fit me well, uh, and so I won't wear it.
Speaker 2:And, and I did the same thing for that, I got their new um, uh, uh sweatpants, and extra large is like extremely baggy. I don't know what they're doing, but like their sizes are like completely different. So I'm going to try to go down to a large and hopefully that fits it. But like I think what they're trying to do is they're trying to like make it for and this can sound horrible, but like for everybody. So it's baggier in the in the waist area, like what I found with nobles is like it's flexible. The extra large still fits me perfectly fine, and when I'm in my cutting phase it fits me perfectly fine. It hugs your body, and so now it's too bulky and I won't wear it and I'm so upset it's ruined my entire day, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to have to say something. You are telling me that the t-shirts that you wear when you're at 250 fit the same as the t-shirts you wear're now 35 pounds lighter. So has the sizing changed or have you just changed?
Speaker 2:no, I'm wearing the noble, I'm wearing the the old og t-shirt and it fits great. It like hugs, you know like it gives you like the the upper body, it hugs your upper body and it's it's loose enough but not baggy in the stomach area so there's enough room, like if I gain 30 pounds. That it's still not, you know, still fits very well. But even even with the, the deficit, I mean, you can go back here. You can see like it does it. It's not like super baggy, you know like it. Just it fits the. It fits you really well and and the the new ones, I'll wear it next time on the on the podcast.
Speaker 1:You'll see it's like extremely baggy and I can't handle it you'll not wear it next time because we're going to record an episode after this and that would be a lie to people.
Speaker 2:The next, next next, next one, yes, cause let me go off for a couple of podcasts in a row, but yeah, so, anyways, I'm it's it's completely ruined my day. But I will say I'm really excited because, like, I got my whole like clothes all lined up for the holidays and you know, I got some, some really flamboyant trousers, you know beach trousers and stuff like that Super bright pink and everything else. I'm really excited. It's going to be a good time. And I got the Hacking your Health swim trunks as well. So the bright yellow ones, I love those. Yeah, I can't wait, can't wait.
Speaker 1:Most importantly and the people want to know are you getting your spray tan before you go?
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely, I already got it booked. Yes, thursday at 9am I will be getting my spray tan on and then I let it sit the whole day so it like kind of absorbs in your skin, and then I shower at night and then it'll last me a solid two weeks. So it'd be perfect, so it'd be good. Nice, aaron's tanning right now, you know, to get the tan on, and she, you know she's like you should go get a pre-tan. And every time, every single time, I do a pre-tan, I burn right before I get to vacation. So I am not tanning this time around, I'm just going to do the spray tan and then I'll use sunscreen lotion like a madman make sure I don't burn myself. So I got it all planned out. I got it all planned out.
Speaker 1:Good, good, the things that you didn't know that you would be doing right.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, absolutely, and I'm going to try to go as dark as possible this time. So, like they have like an even darker version, so I'm going to come out like super dark. It's gonna look like I've been tanning for like six years, so it'll be good good, nice, I will say this and then we can move into today's topic.
Speaker 1:Um, I know what you're saying about the embody scanner. It might be worth at some point this week actually seeing if you can get a legit dexascan, because it's one thing that I have never done and I would love to have that information to go, be able to be able to go back and see muscle mass versus body fat percentage and sort of see to have it as a reference instead of, like I know, that it ends up being, you know, like you said, five or six points off. But it'd be good to get that like information, to have it, so that we know, you know, next time around or I sense, next year we can see exactly how much muscle mass that we put on.
Speaker 2:I agree. So if I could take it, if I could take a DEXA scan and then the same day, you know, around the same same type of criteria, do the same thing with my in-body scanner and then do the deviation to that, it would be perfect for for having an exact baseline for what that is. And they just opened a Dexter scanner place in Columbus which is only like an hour and a half away, so I've been meaning to get up there and get a scan done, Cause there wasn't any local to here. I think the closest one was like three and a half, four hours away. So I never, never, booked it, but definitely I don't.
Speaker 1:I would recommend, I mean, get it done before you go versus after you go.
Speaker 2:That's a good point. Yeah, I'm definitely going to be packing on some pounds over the holiday time. I'm going to try to stick pretty good. I'm going to get as much protein as I possibly can in and eat some good dinners, but I think for lunches and breakfast I'm going to keep it pretty lean. So I don't want to come back and weigh 250 again.
Speaker 1:I will say, say, based on our conversation we had just before this, text him back and forward, um, for anybody, dave's idea of how he could lose some additional pounds before he goes was just not eat any food and just drink protein shakes. And I had to um, correct him, of course. Correct him as to, yes, okay, you will lose weight, but now you're chasing numbers on the scale versus fat loss. So what we've decided to do, or what I've decided dave's going to do, is we're going to up calories this week, um, with a couple of thoughts in mind.
Speaker 1:Number one that's what I'm doing. Number three, number two it will put you in a better position for going away, so it won't be such a huge difference from. I know you're at 1800 now, but if you were going to do what you were going to do, you'd be at much less and it'd be too much of a difference from next week versus when you're away, um, and it'd be too much of a gap to fill. Also, you'll feel fuller this week and so you'll feel better in your sessions. It'll replace all the glycogen stores and you'll you will look even better being fuller this week. So, more calories this week it's.
Speaker 2:It's definitely better than my thousand calorie suffering. Uh, that I was thinking about doing so. Yes, I would agree. It's funny because Ben's like do you trust me? And I'm like I trust you in everything but your oats discussion. So, like anything but oats, I trust you on Anything else. You know you're good.
Speaker 1:The secret to lose this last six pounds is you have to eat cold oats and that's it.
Speaker 2:I don't trust you there. I don't trust you. That's where I throw it out.
Speaker 1:So you know, I got you everywhere else, I got you buddy, everywhere else. But uh, yeah, yeah, okay, cool, well, that's the goal. That's the goal right today. I am excited. Um, I want to talk about, like, what the fuck I've been doing in the background, and this one's gonna be slightly different because I've found myself.
Speaker 1:Uh, so we launched endgame first time around on the 23rd of march, I believe, so about 11 weeks, and the goal with the program and how it runs is we do intakes every three-ish months. So we're in the process of getting ready for the second launch. But what's been different this time is having the team to manage more of my day-to-day tasks and the coaching and other bits and pieces has freed me up to do a lot more stuff, to actually work on the program and on deliverables and what it's going to look like. So I've spent many, many, many hours on my laptop doing that, and it's been good to have thomas, jen and lorraine. I'd be able to manage a lot of the coaching side and me sort of being eagle eyes over the top of it.
Speaker 1:Sean is coming back as well, which we'll talk about in a second, but I spent a lot of time basically, like again, pulling the whole thing apart, based on the feedback. What do people struggle with and and what do we? You know, how can we make it better moving forward? So we're going to talk about that today and what's going on with it.
Speaker 2:Um, as I said, those that don't, for those that are just listening for the first time or just a few times, what is endgame?
Speaker 1:well, yeah, I would say the best way that I can phrase it is it is the evolution of my coaching over the past 10 years, probably more so in the past five years really refining the process based on the people that I work with and like fully understanding their struggles, fully understanding sort of their mental hurdles, the things that they've experienced, their day to-to-day life, their stressors and other bits and pieces, and essentially building out as comprehensive as a program that I can to make sure that we manage whatever those issues are based on, whatever your goal is based on, whatever your life situation is. It is a 12-month coaching program. It is primarily for people who work in cybersecurity, tech, things like that, and it is the final I guess the final boss of coaching program on my end and it will continue to evolve. But I think this is how we will coach from now on and start date will be june 30th and give myself an extra week. It was going to be june 23rd, so I'm changing that live right in the podcast right now. Um, the start date will be june 30th and we are hoping to have our biggest intake, yet I think we're not at the point where I've refined the system enough. I've put the people in place, that we can handle a lot more as we go through it. But I think, as you said, because I live and breathe it and I do it every day and I talk about it every day and I'm on the Discord every day and I'm, you know, on the coaching calls and everything Like I assume a lot of things that people know what the fuck it is whenever they don't Bless you. So we're going to talk about that today.
Speaker 1:Essentially, I think the biggest thing overall is like why I actually built it. And I think you know I remember very specifically standing in your office in the house after the Colorado event. I think we we didn't come back together, but I was there for some, whatever reason, and I think we had the realization together that you know, the opportunity that we have here to help people at scale and actually, you know, allow, give people the tools that they can change their life. And again, that's something that in my maturity I will say that I have changed my thought process on. I no longer say that I change people lives, but I will give you the tools. Then you can do it yourself. And so the goal with within game and the goal with the coaching program as a whole is to be able to, you know, do that at scale so that we can give everybody the the same opportunities that everybody has in the up until this point, the refinement process of it. As you know, you have seen this many, many, many, many times. We do this um and just basically trying to make it better and make it more refined and make it more suitable to to the people that um that come on board.
Speaker 1:Essentially, the thing that we are changing most is how we approach the start and I think in my I guess short-sightedness, but also wanting to deliver exactly what people want. There's a couple of things that I overlooked and it came from actually a conversation with matt and callum calms, one of my first ever coaches that I will always give the credit for the majority of my knowledge and how he approaches things with clients and essentially the the biggest piece of the puzzle was actually getting people to the state that they are actually ready to change, because I realize you know if I'm on a call with someone or you know people reach out, they're probably at a point where something has happened or they felt like they have reached rock bottom, or they're in a position they're like you know, fuck this, I need to do something. Which is good in a sense, because they're in that headspace that they want to change. But oftentimes people aren't ready just to go straight into a fat loss phase. There's a lot of things that we need to, in the best way possible, unfuck and what that looks like in terms of before we move into. You know, the actual process is the mindset piece and you know, are you in the headspace that you can actually do it? The sleep management, the stress management, the digestive system, the gut health, the hormone management, your support system, your environment, your habits, your food awareness, your calorie intake, your training history. So the initial phase within that, or the system initiation is is based around that.
Speaker 1:Basically, just to get everybody in a position that they will have the the best chance at making the most progress when we move into. Whatever the goal is, which is going to be new because people get excited. They're like oh you know, I'm gonna lose so much weight and I'm going to do all these things because they that's what their expectation is. So we're going to set that from the start. I'm going to move straight into that. Um, it'll be a difficult one for people to get their head around, because they will want what they want and I'll have to give them what they need first, which will be tough, but we'll be fully transparent in it.
Speaker 1:Whenever we're going to say, look, these are your expectations and the good thing about the sort of initial phase or whenever I have the calls with people, I've redone how the call's done and it's all very visual, so I'll be able to map it out for them and I'll be like, right, okay, I know that this is what you want and this is what the goal is, but we're just going to delay it by, like you know, maybe two to three months until we get you in a position that we, that we can do it.
Speaker 1:And I think that that approach will work, because I think oftentimes people you know, they feel, or they get from you know you've been in, you've done this yourself before you get from A to B and then to C and then to D and just continue to progress, and that's sort of you back and forward.
Speaker 1:So we'll do that first and then, basically, we'll map out what the rest of the year looks like in terms of coaching, so where you're at and what your goals are.
Speaker 1:It'll either move into a fat loss phase, it'll move into a surplus phase and we'll map out when the maintenance phases come within that. So it'll all be very, very visual, very mapped out, very like. Okay, I know I'm doing this for x amount of weeks and I think that and you can speak from your experience and I think that that's good for myself because I know right, okay, well, if I'm doing, you know, say I thought loss phase for the next 10, 12, 16 weeks, whatever it might be, I can see a an end to that. And I think, again, you know where I've seen people struggle with the people that I've coached in the past is they just think that they're in this eternal fat loss phase and that's whenever they start to to lose interest, like you don't really see any end in sight. Whenever it gets a little bit difficult, there's that case of, like you know, fuck this, I'm out, um.
Speaker 2:So having that mapped out and having a timeline is is going to be hugely beneficial so what does this do as far as changes from your previous one to your new one? Because you know, I've I've been through, you've been through, you know and I've watched, you know you, you run the folks through end game. I've run the folks you know from originally, from when it was, you know. Just a few of us like what's, what's been the evolution, what's really changing here? And you, you mentioned the expectations I think upfront of like, hey, you need to get them the tools, the tools necessary to do that, or to understand what losing weight really meant. And I'll say it's interesting. This last cut phase was actually really easy In retrospect.
Speaker 2:I remember when I first started off and we were cutting weight and I was just always thinking about food. I was always like I can't eat this, I can't do that, I can't do this, I can't. And this time around it's almost like I've programmed my mind to be much different, in the sense that I don't really care about the food aspect of things. If I'm hungry, it's like well, cool, I'm hungry, it doesn't mean anything, it doesn't mean I need to go eat something right away. I'm fine, I'm within my calories I need for the day. Things are good, I just don't even think about it. It's not like, oh, I need to go get a snack, to go get some food, or I need to eat some wheat thins, it's just completely different. Last night I'll give you an example I still had 400 calories left, or something like that, and so I grabbed a protein shake, so it was like 230 calories, and then I had two greek yogurts, so 20, 24 grams of protein, uh, and then I had, you know, a little bit of of um, my new things were these, these pretzel stuffed, uh, peanut butter things, and you know I had just enough of that.
Speaker 2:And but normally, like if I had been sitting down, I was playing doom, the video game doom. By the way, if you haven't, if no one's ever checked it out, the new video game doom is amazing. It's like mindless slaying demons with heavy metal, like it's the best way I can explain it. It's like the best game that has ever been created. So it's like, literally, you're jamming to just hardcore heavy metal and just slaying demons, uh, in a fast pace. You know, like there's nothing to it, there's no like skill involved. You're just slaying massive demons.
Speaker 2:You're like in mech outfits and you know massive machines and blowing stuff up and anyways, normally I would, you know, like my old old day would have been there just pounding a bunch of snacks and things like that and it was kind of my routine right. I'd go play in the video games and I'd have a bunch of munchies and go from there and and and it has taken me, you know, years of programming my brain in a different way, to look at things a little bit differently and change those habits. How do you approach that with with end game and kind of changing those habits over time?
Speaker 1:Well, I think the biggest thing is how how we approach it. At the start and I was always very guilty of like wanting to over deliver and giving probably too much information that it becomes overwhelming you know you would get access to everything that was in TreeCoach, all the resources, like resources in TreeCoach that I had completely forgotten about. Like you know, client handbook and all these recipe books and all this other stuff, and you get access to the mainframe and there's, you know, a hundred videos and all this sort of stuff. So I've stripped all that right back and we basically go through a process of every week. You know these are going to be the topics that we deal with and every week these are what we're going to go through together and, like I said, the sort of I guess the the order of running in a sense, will be like the mindset and motivation. So we will go through that together.
Speaker 1:Like you know where's your head at, why are you doing this, and sort of always leaning back to that. Like you know, really, why are you doing that? And habit optimization is key and again, it won't be. Let's change. You know 200 things at once. It's like right, what do you have? A second a minute. Which are the good ones and which are the not so good ones, how can we do less of the not so good ones and how can we do more of the good ones? And then how can we gradually build on that in time and even within that, what's actually most important to you, because what's important to one person will be important to different. So understand each person as an individual and then how we can sort of start to stack their habits and then secondly, obviously based on on what your goal is and allowing you to you know, allowing you to align your habits and behaviors with that and the support system and environment piece. So I actually had a call with Thomas and Fred earlier on today and had this thought with Dil last week about potentially one of the hardest conversations you can have in this is with the person that's closest to you or with the people around you and asking him for support in that. The conversation earlier with Fred was more about his boss, and actually having the conversation with your boss is like, look, I'm doing this thing, I'm going on this journey. It is to allow myself to be a better me, which will allow me to to show up better for you and everybody around me and just asking for support within that. It's not that you know the people around you need to to do it with you or you're not forcing it onto them, but you know actually having that conversation and what it takes to have that conversation, just having an honest conversation of like I'm in a position that I'm not happy with how I look and I feel on a day-to-day basis and I have an opportunity to make that better and just getting the support around that.
Speaker 1:Obviously, stress management and sleep quality I think you know we can all agree that life is stressful, whatever that looks like for you, especially with the industry that you work in. So you know how we read stress markers, you know how we look at data in terms of rest and heart rate, heart rate variability and what that actually means. So, instead of just saying the words like explaining okay, right, you know this is what your baseline is now, this is what this means, these are the areas that we're going to focus on to improve that and this is what the goal is with those numbers, but also be able to recognize that along the way, because you'll know from previous check-ins like I've been able to call out a stressful week or not sleeping just based on those numbers and it's not something that you would know to look at. So actually educating everybody as we go through it as to like right, these are the numbers and these are why we're looking at it, and nutritional awareness is obviously a big piece within that.
Speaker 1:I know you know the endless conversation about tracking calories and again, I had the conversation about this earlier on today. It's the tracking calorie piece is essential at the start. I don't give a shit who you are. It gives you. It is the tracking calorie piece is essential at the start. I don't give a shit who you are. It gives you. It is the best education around food that you will ever get. It's just actually tracking your food and tracking your calories. So, being aware around food and being aware around the things that number one make you feel good, the things that don't make you feel good, the things that you like, and you know you can maybe manage on a daily basis or a weekly basis and you know keeping those things in and sort of what your total calorie looks like and what portions look like and things that you need to navigate. You know can you eat the majority or you can control the majority of your meals, but do you have to take consideration? You know, work events or family events, or you know eat them with a family and not want the different pieces and sort of again going through that as a group and leaning on the rest of the group to be able to share their stories and be able to share what they're doing along the way.
Speaker 1:Digestive function, gut health and inflammatory markers is another piece of the puzzle Because, again, if you're not in a position that your digestive function is in a good spot or optimal, or at least even good, it doesn't really matter what you do. If you're not digesting processing food, then that's going to be something difficult that we need to overcome and looking at that and what it means and things you can do to improve digestion and where fiber comes in and all the other things that we can look at to make sure that you're digesting the food properly. And again, you'll maybe remember this from the start, but as we start to ramp up protein intake, there is a huge impact in terms of your digestion. I'm not like just addressing it upfront versus me in the background, being like all right, I've got my protein target, but like I don't feel good, like my digestive system's all fucked up, like what's going on. I'm not actually wanting to say that. So just addressing that as a group.
Speaker 1:Hormone balancing and metabolic health Again, this won't be for everybody. I would recommend it for everybody, but I know that not everybody has the resources to go and get their bloods done. But again, it'll give us a baseline and then we can look at okay, right, this is, you know, this is what's going on in terms of my blood. This is where I'm lacking. These are the things that I need to work on, whether it's supplementation or whether it's a hormone imbalance that we need to do.
Speaker 1:And then the training, execution and exercise quality because, again, you know, I would imagine that the majority of people know what a squat is in terms of the movement pattern, but actually understanding, like, what goes on into it.
Speaker 1:And again, I see this, you know, on a regular basis of if I have an in-person event the first time, somebody's there and I haven't seen them do the movement or they haven't shared an exercise execution video.
Speaker 1:They understand the movement and they can do it, but actually understanding the thought process and being intentional with all the sorts of the movements that is going to be the first phase with the movements. That is going to be the first phase and we will go through that together on a weekly basis so that whenever it comes to it and we're like, right, okay, it's time to send it, or push a little bit more, then then you're in a spot to do it and essentially unfucking those, but also monitoring them as we go through the process long term, because there are areas of those that will change over time. You know, life might get more stressful, there may be something going on with your gut health and need to keep that in check, and it's a case of knowing when we pull back on those things so that we can, you know, evaluate what the situation is and then make sure that you know we're in an optimal position to continue on with the, the, the front loss or the surplus.
Speaker 2:One thing I can say is uh, the results speak for themselves. There's so many people that have gone through these programs that have had such an overwhelming amount of success, you know, hitting the goals they want to changing their lifestyle. You know, and I'm a big advocate of you know there's always the expression that I'm sure everybody's heard is you know you have to walk before you can run, or you can you have to crawl before you can walk and then walk before you run. You know, and, and and your body is is no different. You know, when you, when you look at the tools that we have available today to understand how our bodies work and how we can optimize our bodies so that we can get the desired results that we want to, to look how we want to, to feel how we want to not just aesthetics, but just feeling good as we get older and as we do different things in our lives, being able to stay consistent with, you know, keeping ourselves in a good shape. You know we're machines at the end of the day, and a machine requires oil lubrication and checkups and things like that to make sure that the engine is running, you know the way that it should and the brakes are working and the tires are working and that continual maintenance is things that you have to build into repeatable processes that you know that you can do for the rest of your life. And I just saw I was going through Facebook Reels the other day and some guy was going through the gym and just asking random people that had amazing physiques, how many hours a day or how many hours a week do you work? And everybody's answer was over 40 hours a week, right. And, and why that's important is these these folks are able to have amazing physiques and spend time at the gym when they're still working over 40 hours a week, right, and it's just the prioritization around. You know yourself that that needs to be there and you know the.
Speaker 2:The thing that that was. You know the was the big changer for me, wasn't for myself, actually, it was for my family, because I was always on the couch, I was lethargic, I was always working, staying up late, I wasn't taking care of my body and I wasn't there to go out and play baseball with the kids or go out and destroy them in a bench lift or whatever. So it's one of those things where I was like well, I'm always tired, I feel like crap all the time. What can I do to change this and get the results that I want to? And your program really pushed me into that direction, to arm me with the right tools and the right habits to be successful for the rest of my life. I have no doubt in my life that for the rest of my life, I have the tools necessary to stay the way that I want to, to look the way that I want to, to feel the way that I want to, to make changes as necessary. You know, and and that's something that will stick with me for the rest of my life and I think that's what you know end game is is all about is, you know, really giving you the tools that you need to learn to stay consistent for the rest of your life. And it doesn't mean that maybe in five years I decide I'm going to become a marathon runner. It's not going to happen, but you know. But I have the tools necessary to make those shifts and those changes based on myself and what I want to accomplish out of my own body. And you know, I think that's the most important thing here is that you know what we're doing in this movement for Hacking your Health.
Speaker 2:You know, just the other day I want to give a shout out to Eric Foster on social media. He he was being interviewed on a podcast for for 10 X AI and you know the the. The host was asking well, what are your favorite podcasts? And he's like well, this is going to be a little bit different. It's not a cybersecurity or an AI podcast. It's not a cybersecurity or an AI podcast, it's the Hacking your Health podcast. And he's like you all should check it out because we live sedentary lifestyles in IT and insecurity and everything else and we're not taking care of our bodies. We're under constant stress. And he's like I started listening to the Hacking your Health podcast and he's dropped hundreds of pounds. He looks phenomenal, he looks great, he looks fit, he looks healthy, he looks energetic and he attributes that to the Hacking your Health movement of just understanding what you can do to change your lifestyle and your body and do things for the better.
Speaker 2:And Eric's the CEO of TEDx, and being a CEO is such a high-stress environment having to run companies and P&Ls and hiring and firing and all of these things that go on in a day customer issues, technology issues You're barraged with stress all day long and if you don't manage that and take care of that, you can let yourself really go. And I did the same thing I let myself really go thing. I let myself really go. And the saving grace for me was essentially what Endgame has evolved into was working with you and learning the right way to treat my body, learning the right way to do things. I mean, I was in the gym today. I got an amazing push session and I was in and out in 45 minutes. You can spend 45 minutes 3 times a week or 5 times a week for yourself and you feel rewarded Like I. I've. I've done more this morning getting that lift and then most people have done the entire day that they've gone.
Speaker 2:You know through through for themselves, you know throughout the entire day and so you know for me it's it's it's the habit forming, it's the understanding and the knowledge that you're given and how to make that consistent. You know for the rest of your life. That's important and you know when you start understanding calories in versus calories out, by tracking calories for a while, by understanding proteins and what you need to do, that you know gaining muscle mass and being able to eat more, like, if you enjoy eating, put on more muscle mass, like you can eat more, like you can eat a lot more. You get tired of eating, trust me, like I've been tired of eating. You get tired of eating. Trust me, I've been tired of eating. I hate food. Sometimes I can eat whatever I want to and I hate it. It's like do I really need to eat 500 more calories? This sucks. So if you want to eat to your heart's content, get into lifting, it's those things, but it's within reason, obviously, and you get better over time and it's the things.
Speaker 2:That program, for me, was just instrumental and it has been for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people in our industry and outside of our industry have really, you know, completely course corrected their entire lives.
Speaker 2:And I mean, I, I was, I was mentioning this a couple of podcasts ago, but I was at a conference recently and I must've had 15 people come up to me and say you know, just listening to the podcast, or you know what we're, what we're pushing through, for the movement has completely changed your lives and you know, their, their, their, their blood work is coming back. You know, like they're in their thirties again and then their fifties. You know one dude, you know is was as big as me and he's like, yeah, I'm 55. I'm like, dude, what the hell Like you know, congratulations. You know he was like 400 pounds and now he's like he transformations that are possible and it's understanding. Hey, carbs aren't bad, fats aren't bad, proteins aren't bad. Lifting weights will reduce weight. It's those things that fundamentally change and you start getting into these habits that allow you to be successful and I can't recommend it enough for folks that are looking to get into this.
Speaker 1:For sure, and Eric as an example. I think the thing about it is being able to handle. You are able to handle a lot more of those stressors as a CEO or as a business owner if you do the things to look after yourself. And he, like I, just again the conversation I had with Thomas. First of all, he mentioned that he can't wait to get to the point where he's like do you need to eat 4,000 calories, calories? And I was like, bro, it is not, like sounds good, but it is not all. It's cracked up to me. But you know my I guess my admission to him was whenever I really lean into the stuff. So you know, whenever I'm really dialed in in terms of my nutrition, whenever I'm really dialed in in terms of my training, I show up as a better coach for the people that I get to work with. And I used last year as an example. You know, we went through building the supplements company, I put the gym together. There's a lot of other things going on and I I didn't stop training and I didn't obviously stop eating, but it wasn't to the the usual standard that I was. And I feel like, as I have really lent into this from the start of the year, working back with with james again and, yes, as a coach, I have a coach which I knew blew your mind the first time that you uh, the first time that I told you, but it has allowed me to show up and be better as a coach on a daily basis, on the calls, in people's check-ins. It has allowed me to be a little bit more I guess ruthless is probably the best way to describe it in terms of the feedback that I give and it's overall made me a better human by leaning back into those things and that's an admission for me. I'm not saying that I always nail it. Life will get in the way and other things will take a priority, but I still maintain those habits and behaviors because I did them for so long and to your point of you know the tools. Like.
Speaker 1:The goal with Endgame, as a 12 month program, is to teach you what works for you. Like you know, I will give you as many resources as I have available. It will be based on your work, your input and also us understanding you know your lifestyle, your stressors and what you deal with on a day-to-day basis. It won't be a case of you do this for a year and that's it over you, then I have the tools to you know, go and do it yourself. And Anthony's a prime example of this. You know for the past I think it was about a year ago we up and he graduated from the program and he's continued to do the stuff. He's prepped for a photo shoot with the knowledge that he had and, you know, now he's moving into a volleyball competition. So for me, the goal is like these are the frameworks, the systems and the tools that work for you and your body, given your lifestyle and your situation. Take them and your goals will continue to evolve. Like they have said, if he decides to become a marathon runner in five years, I don't know where the fuck we're going to get that information from, but he has the tools and understand of the things that are necessary to to go into it.
Speaker 1:So it's a, it's a, an education program from start to finish, and it's not just a here, generic information.
Speaker 1:It's like right, this is information based on the data that you're submitting, the information you've given us around your, your stressors and your lifestyle and what works for you over time. And I think the data piece is huge within that because I'm able to go back, and I did this with jason wilber's check-in this week. We were, we were looking at like we had a fat loss and you know, mapping out timelines and we're about I guess we're probably about a year and a half in for me coaching him, so I was able to go back to you know previous data and go right. Well, based on this data, this is how long it took to do this, and based on where you're at now and where calories are at and everything, this is how long it will take us to do this. And just having that information and having that understanding is key to continue to progress long-term, and that's what the goal is. We want to build you something that you can do forever.
Speaker 2:Essentially, so where can people go to find and where to sign up for Endgame?
Speaker 1:Just go to wehackhealthcom and it will all be there. A couple of other pieces that I think go overlooked. I think a lot of people think it's just me doing all of this stuff, and it is not anymore. As I said, you know there are coaches that work within the team and I have continued to bring other experts in. You know we have Thomas and Jen on the immediate coaching team that will handle program, will handle exercise execution videos, will handle some of the calls. They will handle um check-ins and programming and all the other bits and pieces. Then we have lorena, who comes in and she's the movement and mobility specialist. We have a whole movement and mobility library now, um, which is brutal.
Speaker 1:I would say the movement mobility stuff is worse than the actual gym stuff. I would say, in the grand scheme is worse than the actual gym stuff. I would say, in the grand scheme of things, the gym stuff's the best and everything else is just more difficult to look below that. But she was a call on a monthly basis to basically just unfuck everybody's mobility is the best way I can put it. You know, if you spent 10, 20, 30 years at a desk and you're a little bit internally rotated, you have a little bit of, you know, pain in your hip flexor because you've sat on a desk all your life. All of those things can be resolved with a little bit of work. And you know that came from me going further away, from working on a gym floor to working at a desk, and I was like my body is changing here. I'm not for the better. So we need to bring something in like that. And again, you know, if you've been doing it for 10, 20, 30 years, there's a lot more to to do on that.
Speaker 1:And, as I said, sean is coming back and you. He went through some some serious health stuff towards the end of last year and I caught up with him last week and I was like, look, I just want to catch up with you and see what's going on and see how you are, but at the same time, everybody fucking keeps asking me whenever you're coming back Um, he will come in. Uh, he is the mindset guy, it will be nervous system regulation Regulation is probably the best way that I can phrase what he does. Um, you, um, you know how he gets you to think about things and the sort of the mindset piece behind that. I think you know we've we've touched on this a lot like this isn't just that here's your training, here's your calories. Go and do the thing. Like we look at you as a whole human and the stressors and the mental battles that you'll, you'll overcome.
Speaker 1:So there is the entire team, um, and I've rebuilt how, the the weekly structures of the call. So so again, we have a private Discord channel. It is pretty active, you don't need to be involved in it, but as good as an additional resource that everybody is in there and everybody can share. And I think that that support network and that ability to share stories and share wins and share losses with people who are there to support you and are on a similar path and journey. We also have a post, two calls per week. So there's a monday call and a thursday call, and the monday call is a bit of a round table call. The thursday call is more of a bring the experts in and they share. You know what's going on with them and how the months will flow. The week one of the month will be essentially strategy and recalibration. So we'll review how the month. So we just did it this week. So we reviewed may, um, and how that was and what went well, what didn't go well and what's the plan moving forward. And that keeps you accountable to right. Okay, well, I said I'm going to do this for the month of June and then we can check that whenever we do it again the next time.
Speaker 1:Week two is performance and movement. So we'll look at exercise execution intensity. That's when Lorena will come in and she'll host the Thursday call and we'll look at mobility, and she looks at movements a little bit differently than I do. I look at it from a mechanical aspect as to, okay, right, are you moving? Are you going to hurt yourself? Is everything good? Do you understand how your body works? Are you connecting with the right muscle? And she'll look at it from a is there anything that we can do to improve this in terms of your mobility? The week three will be lifestyle and internal systems at gut health, looking at stress, sleep, you know, eating habits, like everything that comes under lifestyle. I'll host one of those calls, general host another one of those calls. The week four will be identity and mindset, and that's where sean will come in and he will host the thursday call within that and then, if there is a week five in the month it'll be just wild card. Whatever we feel like is going to go on. We'll do a q? A or we'll do a bit of a round table or potentially I'll get you know existing fans or previous fans to come in and share their story. So that's where we're at with everything.
Speaker 1:I've redone the entire mainframe. I think again to the case of over-delivering. Previously I would have done a 45 minute video on how to set up my fitness pal and what that looks like for you, whenever. There's no fucking way I would watch a 45 minute video and nobody has the time to do that. So it's a lot more clean. It's a lot more clear, short form. Dylan and I have found a really good setup in terms of how we record the content and his editing process, and it just allows us to deliver the information without all the faff and bullshit, and that will continue to evolve based on what the feedback is, how the calls are, what the struggles are, and that'll be an education library, essentially of continued evolving problems and progress and solution over time.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Well, check it out for Endgame. It's wehackhealthcom and you literally can submit your information there and start to change your life for the better.
Speaker 1:Yes, you submit there, Then I will have a call with you and we'll go through. We'll basically just have a strategy call and say, look, there's no obligation to join. You'll have the strategy call, give you the information regardless as to what I think the best process would be for that Um. I'll give you a visual format and just basically look at all the pillars and you know where you're doing good, where you're not doing good and then how we would approach it If we did move forward with it. We start on June 30th, um, and, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Like I said, I've had a lot more time to to put into building this as a, as a program, and so be it awesome.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks everybody for listening to this week's podcast. That was a good one. And, uh, we got another one we're gonna record right here afterwards for for the uh few weeks. So we'll be gone, we'll all be gone, and we'll be gone too.
Speaker 1:Um and so uh, we're on it, do you know? I mean, before we were like fuck, I'm away and you're away, we can't do it. Yeah, um, so yeah, we're giving the people what they want, but anyway, yes, thanks for listening. Any further questions on uh endgame? Just give me a shout, drop me a message on discord. See you in a bit later.