Hacking Your Health
Hacking Your Health Podcast with Ben Canning and Dave Kennedy - Two guys setting out to hack body, mind, business and beyond. We are here to provide a single source, bullshit free guide to understanding your body and how you can live better, for longer.
Hacking Your Health
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The return of Dave and Ben - the biggest lesson here is that consistency is a double edged sword - an apology form us to you and a promise to deliver the fresh episodes each week.
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We’re Back And Why It Slipped
SPEAKER_02Yo, what's up everybody? Welcome back. We are back. We are back in action. We are back. We are back in action. We are so back. So back. We're so back right now. So back right now.
SPEAKER_01The last time you recorded a podcast, I think, was in October. Yeah, it's been a bit. It's been apologi- I apologize to everybody who uh has missed us because people have uh stayed not many people, but a couple of people have mentioned that uh they have missed the podcast. So we're back. Dave was over here in Ireland last week, and um we had the conversation that we need to get back to doing this, and I think that this leads into the double-edged sword of consistency. We didn't miss a week for like 170 weeks. Like we would have moved mountains, like the things that we had to do to get podcasts out sometimes based on everything that was going on, and then we missed like two and that was it.
SPEAKER_00Yep. It's it's on both of us. It's a hundred percent on both of us. No excuses made. We just, you know, and then and then you know, you get with the thing that's like, I'm too busy this week, it will get set next week. And that's you know, it's that that's what happens by the way with working out, by the way. I know I know you miss a couple different times of working out, and then you're fucked. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Luckily, I have maintained my workout schedule. I know you have too, but I think that that is that is the point. And I see it time and time again that they're consistent for X amount of weeks, months, even years, and then something happens illness, sickness, travel, insert, whatever thing, and they fall off and they never get back to it. So we have fallen victim to the other side of the dark side of consistency.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, but we are back, we are so back, and we're gonna be consistent with this, everybody. So, you know, you can get back into hearing, you know, is Dave on creatine, uh, you know, omega-3 fatty acids, you know, like officially.
SPEAKER_01When was the last time when was the last time you went to Orange Theory?
SPEAKER_00Uh it's actually been about two weeks. Uh so I, you know, uh, it's been actually two weeks, but I've been going consistently. But you know, the whole Ireland trip and then me almost dying from pneumonia, um, you know, like it's it's uh yeah, it's been been a real are you blaming your 0.3 seconds that you spent in the RSC? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I that's fair. Yeah, yeah. That's fair. Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_00I'll tell you though, that that that pneumonia knocked me hard. I'm still I'm still kind of recovering from it. The the antibiotics and the steroids, which, you know, hey, steroids, can't complain about that, but um the the steroids were uh were not are knocking me back. I'm feeling pretty good today. So I'm finally back to the land of living. But I'll tell you, it was pretty rough for the past few days. And uh thank God it happened the last day when I went to uh uh Dublin um and uh I started getting a scratchy throat or we're kind of walking down the Dublin area down there, and I was like, Yep, I'm getting sick. And then the next day on the airplane, I was sick the whole thing there, and uh, and then I was just miserable the whole week. So um but I was it was timed well.
SPEAKER_01I'm glad you're better. And you do sign in Flea Better. One of the voices you sent me, I was like, nah. I mean, I know we're sending a podcast.
SPEAKER_00I was like, and I think we could do a podcast on Wednesday.
SPEAKER_02But anyway, we're back. Um I guess I'm gonna say what's the update, but like fucking hell, where do you start? What's the update?
SPEAKER_00Uh
New CEO Role And The Three Pillars
SPEAKER_00listen, I I I've you know uh a lot of stuff going on uh since this last podcast. Um I'm not gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01Congratulations on your new yeah, congratulations on your new job.
SPEAKER_00CEO of Binary Defense, which has been uh been really good and a lot of fun. Uh been having a lot of time uh good times. You know, it goes into this thing, you know, I I uh this this this goes right into you know the training aspects of things as well, too. You know, you you have um I've been reflecting a lot on this, I guess is the best way of looking at it. You know, I always thought, you know, like hey, CEO of trust is like that was kind of my baby because I grew from the ground up. Binary defense, I was never the CEO of, and I never felt like I was, you know, um, you know, capable enough to run a company like that, right? And and that's more of a confidence thing in myself uh than anything else. And so we'd get these CEOs that would come in and they run the same playbook that they ran in another company, and you have you know, they talk in these big terms and they have these big, you know, fluffy, amazing-looking presentations, and you have this, you know, level of confidence, and then you start to realize like, you know, their their playbook that they ran for their prior company doesn't work at your company, and nor does it gel with the culture and everything else that you do there. And um, and so, you know, me stepping up as CEO really was was to drive our culture, you know, bring it back to that that hacker mentality, having fun with things, you know, collective team, um, and also really take care of our customers, obviously, which is which is the number one piece. You know, I I I talk I talk very heavily about this in our company that there's three pillars, you know, hey, the pillars, the pillars idea works really good, you know, right? Um, but there's three pillars to to this company and in the way that I see it. The first is our customers, the second is our culture, and the third is innovation. And um, and those are the three core features that we focus on in our company. Um, you know, just innovating all the time and being you know, high speed and and you know, zero politics and get things done. You know, our entire leadership team meeting is called the get shit done meeting, uh, and we just get stuff done. And um, you know, it's it's all about that. And you know, you can parlay that to to your health as well. Um, you know, it doesn't mean that you can go into your health without knowing anything. You have to learn things and do things differently um than you might have before and be malleable to that. And, you know, for for me, um, you know, what's one thing that's been constant through this entire piece has been my training, which has been great. I've been staying consistent with lifting. I will say though, um I'm lifting less intentionally, uh, and and I'm saying seeing the same results. Um, you know, I'm able to maintain the physique that I want. I'm the leanest I've ever been. I'm at sitting at 216 right now, um, which is crazy uh to think I would ever be at 216 with the amount of muscle mass that I have. Um, you know, my deadlifts are still at 500, which I'm happy about. Um, you know, my all my all my weight is is continuously moving up. So it's it's been a good run. Um been staying very, very consistent with that. Uh orange theory twice a week, not three times a week. Uh lifting three days a week, uh, and I get to you know enjoy the rest of the time. And and that's been very successful for me, is just kind of figuring out, you know, where my body's at, where it wants to go. I've had zero injuries. Um, you know, things have been good, man. How about how about yourself?
Why Other People’s Playbooks Fail
SPEAKER_01Well, I think it's interesting that you say about the the playbook not working for, you know, the one playbook that works in one place doesn't work. And I think that that is true for people's health and fitness journey as well. Like we can, you know, get a plan from someone or do insert whatever that or training or whatever, but it doesn't necessarily fit with their their lifestyle. And that's obviously what I try and do with the people that I work with is like work out what their lifestyle is and then the training into that lifestyle. But similarly to you, I've been on a journey of you know trying to grow We Hack Health and looking at other coaches and what they're doing and trying to install their playbooks into my business, but it it doesn't work given the nature of the people that I work with. So like I've overcorrected and undercorrected and recorrected and rebuilt the whole thing. So everything's good on this side. I I spent a lot of time just working things out, you know, playing about with content and different ideas. And my observation is that the way that I was doing things using other people's playbooks of just like putting stuff on the internet and hoping people find me isn't gonna work. So my my mission, and I've said this to you last week, is that I'm just gonna spend more time about the industry. So at conferences and actually being about with people and and actually just embedding myself in the culture of the cybersecurity and the hacking world. So things are good. I'm looking forward to getting back to this and getting back to I would say essentially what we built this entire thing on.
SPEAKER_00That's the thing, you know. I I look at um I I try to take it, I I try to keep things very simple in my mind. You know, I I you know, there's a lot of things that I don't know, but what I do know is, you know, things that I would go and buy or purchase online. What would get me to do that? Or what would get me to become a trainer like you, right? And I get inundated with a ton of, especially with with AI now, you know, I get I get inundated with just random things that that don't give me anything. You know, they're they're not providing any value. It's not something I'd want to purchase or buy, it's just marketing content for marketing content, right? And I've always been big, and this I think this is what made me so successful at TrustedSec, was there's there's something called content marketing, um, which is a term that's that's widely used in the marketing uh side of the house. And but I was doing content marketing before it ever had a term. I didn't, I it wasn't, you know, something that that was out there, but it was what I what I've always believed in is if you give something out for free that is valuable for somebody that they can use, they're always in the back of their heads and they're more likely to go with you in the future. And and that's that's done with me with good intent. You know, I want to share the cool stuff I'm doing, the research I'm doing, you know, things that I'm I'm I'm doing that somebody else hasn't done before so people can learn from from what my my mistakes or my success is, you know. Hopefully it helps somebody. And, you know, and and that for me, early on in the trusted sec days when I was releasing, you know, Magic Unicorn and the Social Engineer Toolkit and threading zero days and things like that, you know, people found that very interesting. And people are like, oh, this guy knows what he's doing. We should probably hire him to do our assessment work, right? And so I think, you know, that that community aspect is so important that I think a lot of people, I'm not saying you specifically, but a lot of people lose. I'm not saying you've lost that in any way, uh, but more so just the, you know, it's it's more about getting content out there to get content out there, not providing the value to people. So, like, you know, how can you change somebody? How can you help somebody? Um, you know, and that's that community aspect I think that makes a big difference. And that's why I always enjoy this podcast. It's like, you know, you get to hear the failures of what we could go through or, you know, new medical research. And man, I have so many things to talk about on that front. Um,
Blood Work Trends And Cancer Screening
SPEAKER_00I literally just got done getting blood work, uh, which is why I was late. I literally have a bandage right here with the blood work. I can probably take this off now. Hopefully I don't start bleeding all over the place. But uh um I got this, I I signed up for this new thing called uh superpowers, and um it's an AI-assisted medical research um wing. And what what it what you do is you get all your blood work um done from them, and they analyze all of it through their AI engines that's specifically for medical research, and it can give you trending analytics like white blood cell counts or you know, where you're trending upward or downward in certain areas, so you can hopefully curve it. So, you know, the thing I always found about blood work is like, yeah, I look at the blood work that I currently get, and I'd be like, okay, cool, this is all good, but how does it compare historically? And am I doing the right things, you know, to ensure that I can maintain maintain longevity? And so I it's really neat because I can be like, hey, what are the top three things that I need to work on? And it'll be like, hey, these are the things you should start doing. You should supplement with this or eat more red meat or, you know, white meat or whatever ends up being. Uh I had hell high levels of L-carnitine. I was realizing I was drinking like two ghosts a day that had, you know, like 15,000 milligrams of L carnitine in it. So, you know, it's like uh, you know, so I probably should cut that back a little bit because my TMAO is up a little bit. But um, you know, the one that I just did now, which is really interesting and I'd heavily recommend it. It's called Gallery, and it's a uh cancer screen test. It's a little it's it's a bit expensive. I want to say it's like two grand or something like that, which again is very expensive. Um, but it tests for like 50 plus different types of cancers in your body. Um, and so one of the biggest things I'm terrified of is cancer. Uh, you know, like you literally one day you you go to a doctor and you're feeling sick, and then like, hey, you have cancer and it's stage four and you're gonna die in the next month. That's that's terrifying to me, you know? Um, and so uh I'm gonna incorporate this into my regular yearly cycle of getting that blood work done where I can test for 50 cancer cells. And I literally just got that finished, so I can't wait to see the results. But you have to go into it knowing that there's potentially false positives. So if they say you have pancreatic cancer, you may not actually have pancreatic cancer. Um, and so you gotta frame your mind in a way. And so my mind is like, okay, if it comes back with cancer, just chill for a bit and then find out what's going on. And I also they're starting to offer um MRIs as well. So I was gonna go do uh yearly MRIs um just as a proactive uh to see what's going on there. But you know, again, still taking my health really seriously, but you know, it's one of those things that you know I'm looking forward to getting back to talking about these things, you know, and sharing with folks the things that we're doing because uh, you know, health, longevity, um, everything else is such an important part. And um, I'll tell you, I uh I just want to give a shout out to your gym. It the pictures don't do your gym justice. I mean, it does, it does it let me rephrase it, it does do justice because it looks really cool in the pictures. But it that was a cool gym. Uh my my son was like, my son Mason was like, dude, dad, you your gym looks like total crap compared to Ben's. I'm like, dude, shut up. Shut up, shut up, dude.
SPEAKER_01But I don't know how you got out of like, and maybe this was intentional. It seemed to be that you got out of doing a workout with me. So like we definitely need to pick that up at some point. But um it was hard.
SPEAKER_00You know, you were super busy with with the wedding, and uh, and I was super busy with the kids, you know. I couldn't just like bounce out for like two hours, you know, and and and leave them in in the middle of Ireland. So, you know, they were all like wanting to go see castles and stuff like that. And so, you know, it was it was a beautiful, beautiful trip, though, by the way. It's funny because like you want to move to the United States, my family wants to move to Ireland, so we got to figure this out.
SPEAKER_01So we just need to do 50-50, and I think that was the the original green light that we got from from Trish. If like, you know, I have a house there, you have a house here, and we just go 50-50. We can definitely, we can definitely do that. Um, but no, it was good to have you here. And even like a couple of days before, whenever Thomas and Jen and a couple other people were about like they couldn't believe that you hadn't been here. I was like, I know, and I don't have a cardboard cut out of Dave in my gym, so it's not fully complete yet. I I'm gonna solve that problem. Fair. Um, but no, I think like to your point, even you know what you're saying about the trending data, like something that I have been looking at again in terms of like managing clients. Obviously, at the minute, in terms of submitting the data, we see it on a week-to-week basis, and you can see, but what Thomas and I are working on in terms of like building out uh an app feature that does have an element of AI in it that's going to allow us to look at trending data that'll be like, okay, you know, when you know, even as simple as like what what is the the fluctuation in how consistent people are in seasons of the year, or what is you know, what happens when you know we do a different type of training block, or you know, what is the ideal amount of calories, or how long can we push things in terms of a fat loss phase or whatever? And I think that that's going to be the cool part of being able to take so many years of historical data working with people and put it in and actually see trends and almost like be able to solve the problems again before they happen. Um, so that's something that Thomas and I have been working on in the background, which I think is is very cool.
SPEAKER_00That's awesome. Yeah, it's uh, you know, the the seasonal thing is definitely a big thing. I noticed in the summertime I'm much more active in literally everything. And in the wintertime, I'm less active. Now I'm still getting them in, but it's almost like, you know, when you're going down to the gym, you're excited to go down to the gym in the summertime. When you're going down to the gym in the winter, you're not excited in the wintertime. So, you know, it's one of those things that's like, you know, it definitely seasonals have a have a big, big, big play in that for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and to your point of of doing less, like, as I've said time and time again, whenever I used to work on the gym floor as an in-person PT, like it was easy for me to get my workout in. I could spend hours in the gym because my calendar was dictated by when people could do sessions, and it was generally in the morning and then in the evening. So I had a big block of time. So I always had this thought of like, oh, I need to spend two hours in the gym, you know, five days a week to get the results. But now like I got a 25-minute workout in between calls um just before we come on. And my sessions at the minute are like 45 minutes, and there was a there's definitely a previous version. I mean, like, that's not enough. That's not enough. But if you go into it with the right intent and you're not fucking about doing other shit, like it definitely you can definitely get the work done. And I think for me, it's that the realization of you know, as you I guess, seasons of life, even you know, sometimes you're gonna be busier, sometimes you're gonna have less time, but it's not an excuse to just like sack it completely off. It's like doing something and maintaining that habit and actually just getting something in and taking the box more than anything, anything that will allow you to, you know. I guess if if I could speak to me and you last year, we'd like, well, we'll just do a 10-minute podcast and we'll take the box and we'll get it done. Like just actually maintaining that consistency of doing the thing is more important because that's whenever things start to fall off and whatever. So um, I've definitely had that realization myself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah,
Habits That Make Or Break Consistency
SPEAKER_00I mean, habits are are everything, right? And it's interesting because the same way that you get into building your routines uh for fitness is the same way that you undo your routines for fitness. So you start off with small things that you know change into large things over time. And so you get into this fitness regimen, and then over time you're like, well, if I just skip it this time, small changes, then it leads to big, big changes in your life, then you stop, stop lifting, you know, frequently or or getting the fitness in that you need to. And that's one thing I've been really, really cognizant of. Like, I don't my mind has been changed quite a bit. Instead of it being um something that that you know uh I need to do for my health or fitness, it's it's become more of a task that I have to complete in the day in my brain. So it's something that I have to check off every day, you know, in my my career or or or within the week, saying, Did I get these in? Like there's times where like I'm just so busy, let's just say Monday, Tuesday, you know, that I don't get my lifts in, but I'm like, hey, I I better hit the gym Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. You know, like like I have to do Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you know, because the weekends are flooded, you know, with stuff. So I'm gonna get those three lifts in no matter what. And so I do I want to work out three days in a row or do I want to work out every other day? I usually prefer every other day, but you know, I will go and do three days in a row if I miss my my my thing. Now, this week I I have not lifted at all just because I've almost been dead. I thought about it. I was like, you know, I think I I think I can get a push session in or a pull session in really quick. And then I then I went downstairs to the gym and I did my first lift. I'm like, oh you know, I'm like, I'm gonna throw up. I was actually on a I was actually on a customer call uh yet uh two days ago, and I'm on the call, and uh luckily I had another person there. I'm like, hey, I'll be right back. And I literally uh cut the video off in the mute and I started vomiting in my trash can to the left of me. I was like dripping in sweat. I had 103 degree temperature and I was like trying to talk to a customer about what we're doing night beacon, and I was like, you know, it was so bad, so bad. But I didn't get the lift in. But I I I am now that I'm feeling better today, I'm pretty sure I'll get a lift in today. Um, you know, to get get get that done and check check the box. It's like I need my three though.
SPEAKER_01Well, I will uh look to see if I see the lift on Twitter if it happens or not. Proof or spoof.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Proof of life, proof of life or death.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, right. So let's catch up.
Training Goals And Food Without Tracking
SPEAKER_01So we we've continued, both of us have continued to train. Like, what's the goal? Where are you at? What are we trying to achieve?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I you know, I we what I want to do um is get back into the regular pieces of summertime lean, wintertime bear, you know, and that that works for me really, really, really well. Um, but what's kind of crazy, you know, I'll talk a little bit about the the food component is um I'm not uh so so don't don't get mad at me here, but I am not tracking my calories at all in any retrospect.
SPEAKER_01Please hold while I pull up every episode that you say that I will track my calories every day for the rest of my life.
SPEAKER_00Yes. However, I but I want to but but but that's actually a testament to the training that I've done over the past several years because I I literally know what I want to eat, when I want to eat, what I'm going to eat, and how much I should eat um as I'm going and doing it. And like I said before, I'm staying, you know, I focus on protein-centric first, no matter what. I'm staying, you know, I'm at sitting at 217, 216, which is my my my lowest that I've ever been. I I manage my calories extremely well throughout the day and throughout the week to where it's it's it's crazy how I could just make small changes. You know, like if I notice that like my weight's you know ticking up to 220, I'm like, ah, cool. Next week I'll just drop it down, you know, and I just drop it down a bit and I eat less. And so I've gotten a nice system in place where I'm able to really maintain uh whatever my objectives are. And obviously, if I want to start increasing in weight, um, you know, I need to start eating more as part of it and and we'll be consciously thinking of it. But I'll tell you, like my my entire relationship with food is gone. Like I don't have a relationship with food anymore. I don't look at you know the how much portion size I need. I don't look at, you know, uh, what am I gonna eat for lunch or dinner, you know, like and and am I gonna get enough food in there? Um, I go and enjoy a burger with fries if I want to, you know, like, you know, it's it's it's giving me so much more flexibility, um, you know, being able to build this up. And it's taken obviously years to do this, but it's it's now to the point where I have full control over how I look, how I feel, how much energy I have. You know, I know if I need some energy throughout the day, you know, I'll pop some carbs and you know, spike it up a bit so I have some energy to burn um as I'm going through the day. And that has really worked um extremely well. And most of my food, I don't even eat breakfast anymore at all. I usually eat around like one or two o'clock in the afternoon. I don't even think about food. I'll have a cup of coffee or two cups of coffee, um, you know, pop a pre-workout. If I'm gonna go work out instead of the coffee um in the morning or if I lift in the afternoon, um, usually but right before I I lift, I'll go and eat, you know, an hour before. Um, and and that's the rest of my day. And then I just eat, you know, dinner and then I have some snacks at night. But that's really I'm only eating two meals a day, um, you know, with some protein shakes in between. So, you know, for me, it's it's been really good to be able to, I mean, like I just it's just a weird thing. Like, I just don't have this food thing anymore. Like, I don't care about food. I don't, you know, think about food. I don't, you know, I don't even think about eating. Uh, it's it's been phenomenal.
SPEAKER_01But I think that that like that to me is the goal with people's relationship with food. And I know that you were adamant for a long time that you will continue to track and it's something you can do forever. And I've always been in the mindset of like, I'm cool not to track because I've done so many years of it that if the my fitness palette disappeared and there was no way for me to track food, I could continue to eat and I would be totally fine because it's it's so habitual and it's like I I pretty much eat the same thing day in, day out. So it's like if I need to gain weight, I'll just eat a little bit more. If I need to lose weight, I'll just eat a little bit less. So and I think that whenever you have that you know amount of time that you spent getting an understanding of food and what your body needs, it's very hard to unlearn that. So tracked or not tracked, I think it's absolutely fine. Yes, sometimes I will get back to my fitness palette and track and just make sure that I'm not like haven't totally gone off the radar and like I just I'm completely wrong in what I'm doing in terms of calories and macros. But it gives you that like doing the work back to jocko, having the discipline to do the work of tracking your food for an extended period of time gives you education around food, education around macros, what your body needs, what it doesn't need. And then it gives you the freedom on the other side that I'm like, if I don't want to track, I don't need to track because I know like I actually started tracking this week again. Last week was a bit chaotic for different reasons. But I started tracking, I I at the things that I had been eating, and it's like you know, 2600 calories, 250 grams of protein, and that's what I've been eating for the past like months and without tracking. So getting an understanding of like, okay, I'm still on track with this. Um if I want to dial it back, I can, if I want to push it up, I can. And it's it's just from years and years and years of doing it. So For the people who do not like using my fitness pal or tracking food, same. I don't like it either. But it does like spending time doing it so you get an understanding of portion sizes, like how your food's made up, like how much you actually need to eat, like what way your body is moves in relation to that is I think an essential part of the process for some period of time.
SPEAKER_00Yep. 100% agree. And it and I I I I would not be able to do what I'm doing today had I not been tracking before in the past. What's those calories look like? You know, I stay away from I and it's another thing too. It's like I don't really eat sweets at all. It's like, you know, when we were in Ireland, you know, all my family was ordering desserts and things like that. I'm like, nah, I'm good. You know, like I'm I don't want to, I don't want any of that. I'm fine. Um, you know, so the whole relationship thing has been been completely broken, which has been been awesome. Um,
Deload Weeks And Better Progress
SPEAKER_00I do want to emphasize so uh there was a recent data study that came out, and I want to talk about it because it just proves again Ben knows exactly what he's talking about. Um there was a study that came out and it was talking about um uh D load weeks. And they researched uh people that were doing competitive power lifting uh and bodybuilding, and they looked at ones that did D-load weeks and ones that didn't do D-Load weeks. The ones that did D-Load weeks had 25% more muscle growth than those that did not do D-load weeks uh weeks. So uh just I just want to throw that out there that you are right again. Uh even though I used to give D-Load weeks the biggest amount of shit uh in history, uh it's it's proving true through science as well. So D-load weeks do make a big difference. And if you don't know what we're talking about in D-Load weeks, basically um, you know, if you're training uh for a long extended period of time, especially, you know, taxing your body, uh, you need to give your body some time to relax. And so you can, there's a few different ways of doing D-load weeks. Like you could do a D-load week which, you know, you're doing fractional weights, you know, um, for half the weight or, you know, 25% of the weight and kind of go in there that way to give your body some time to and your CNS, your central nervous system to relax. Um, or um, you could just cold turkey it for a week, which is typically what what I do. So I'll cold turkey it for a week where I don't lift at all for a week just to give my body some time to recover, and is shown in the data studies to to increase muscle growth by 25%. So I just figured I'd throw that one out there because uh Ben was right again. Uh continues to be right uh on all on pretty much everything that he goes through.
SPEAKER_01But it's funny that you you mentioned that recently, um Jason Wilbur, we were having that conversation, and you know, there's there's ways to do it. You can schedule them, that you do them every certain amount of months or weeks, and you just have it in, or you start to get an understanding of when your body needs it. And about three weeks ago, four weeks ago maybe, Jason came in and he was like, I I feel like my body needs a deload, but I want to push it for another week and see. And I was like, Okay. And then we got to the next week, and you know, we was talking about soreness and recovery, and like the pump isn't there anymore, and like his joints are sore. I was like, right, let's schedule a deload week. Hit his option was he went in and he did you know 50% of the weight that he was doing, which is absolutely fine. And the the way that I would look at that is if you're a person that uses the gym as that sort of like mental space that you want to come in and just like actually be there and maintain the habit, like that's probably the preferred way to go. Or if you can take a week off and then get back to it, absolutely fine. But um, he came back in then his first week training back was last week, and he was like, I PR'd on everything, I was stronger and everything, my pumps were better, I don't have any issues with like tendonitis, my joints are fine. Like, this was the the first legitimate, and I mean I'm be coaching him for two and a half years, maybe three years. This was the first legitimate time that he felt like his body actually needed it, and he did it like true deload. And he was like, You I mean, he didn't say these words, you were right, but I read between the lines of like, yeah, okay, right, this is this is legit, and I saw the benefits of it on the other side of like I actually felt infinitely better being in the gym. I felt stronger, my lifts were better, my mood was better, and and all the things that come along with it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and and I'll tell you, you know, there's a certain there, there's you can do this on a schedule, but you also can listen to your body. There are there's there's times like I would come back, you know, in the past year, I'd come to you and be like, hey, it's time for a deload week, because I knew my body, my you get these aches and pains, you know, you're you're you're you know, it just doesn't recover, you don't recover as fast. You notice you're plateauing on weights, you're not able to go up. That's when it's time for for a deload week. You got to give yourself uh some some time to relax and chill. And uh I could tell just based on my joints. I get um my my arms get really sore um in my joints uh when I need a delo week. And I'm like, all right, D-load time. I my body's telling me it's it's time. So you know, right after that week hits, I'm perfectly fine and uh, you know, ready to hit the ground running again, and it works out really well.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, it used to be a taboo subject. I was like when Dave texts me at a D-Load, I'm like, someone has stolen Dave's phone, there's no way we've accessed. Um, but like it it is you know, it's part of the process, and people think that they're gonna lose so much progress taking a week off or whatever, but like, you know, the amount of time that you need to take off to lose any progress is way beyond, like way, way beyond a week. So schedule your re-notes.
SPEAKER_00Yep. So next
Retatrutide And The GLP-1 Future
SPEAKER_00next top I want to hit on there real quick is is the the the the RETA discussion because here we go. Here we go. We're going right down right now. I got so much to talk about. Like we're gonna have to do another podcast because I got so much to talk about. But um, you know, these GLP1 agonists that are coming out. So you have, you know, terzepatide, you have semiglutide, uh, so the Majerno, the Wagovi, um, the Zempic, you know, those ones. There's a new one coming out this year, which is already already obviously being abused by the bodybuilding community like crazy. Um, but it gets FDA approved um this year, and it's called Rotruitride. And uh man, the studies on this look absolutely insane and incredible. I mean, to me, this is probably the single greatest breakthrough in longevity and health um that has ever come from a shot or a you know pharmaceutical company in probably the past 100 years. And um, you know, it's crazy because with the advancements of AI and medical research now, um, these things are coming out much faster uh and and they're getting allowed through much quicker um into the process. Like uh Dr. David Sinclair, who did the studies on NNM uh and NAD specifically uh around longevity, he's working on a shot that can literally um revert your your age back to a certain time. So if you want to be a 25-year-old, you know, they're able to repair your DNA structure. So if you look at like how your DNA gets damaged over time, our body goes and repairs them and does it imperfectly, which is why we age, he's figured out a way in mice, at least as of right now, to take a mouse that's 75 years of age, equivalent to human, and moving it back to 25 years. And he's doing the first human clinical trials this year. And so if you look at like retruitride, it's got a lot of different things in it that that I think is mind-blowing and something that when it comes out to be you know FDA proof, something I'll probably look at. And it's not for the GLP1 agonist, so it's a triple agonist, triple GLP1 agonist, uh, meaning it hits, you know, two of your receptors, but it also um messes with your glycogen uh and your glycogon type of of how your body uses uh sugar um in your body. So you know, if you have you know type 2 diabetes, for example, or you have insulin insensitivity, um, it helps with all of those. So you'll you it it improves insulin uh sensitivity. So your body uses um you know sugars uh um much more efficient, but because it's retooling how you do glycogen, um, you actually burn more calories that way. So you'll, you know, your basal metabolic rate, let's just say it's two 2,000 calories, you'll actually burn like 2,500 calories a day, plus it's hitting the GLP1 agonists, uh, meaning so you have your curbed appetite. And then the other cool parts about it is it improves kidney and liver function as well. And so if you have like fatty liver disease, for example, your liver's not functioning well, it reverses those. So it has a lot of um overall benefits. So, like what's crazy is if you look at these, these um the lipid panels from the research studies, you know, people's LDL and HDL cholesterols are like perfect in sync and harmony. Their kidney and liver functions are working perfect. They drop like 40% of their weight or 30% of their weight maintained, um, and they're burning more calories throughout the day. So, like to me, this is one of those ones that's like as soon as it comes out, I'm sure it's gonna be a million dollars to friggin' go and get. But um, you know, it's one of those things that like the the way that the advancement in the medical research side is coming, you know, I honestly believe we're gonna have a pill, you know, in the next 10 to 15 years that, you know, will cure cancer, will cure death, um, you know, will, you know, uh, you know, keep the physique that you want to. You might, I mean, there's there's um I've I've seen uh Dr. Mike talk about this one. I can't remember the name of this new drug that came out, but it's like better than steroids. It's healthy for your body uh and helps you grow muscle, you know, as you do it. So if you're lifting and you use this, your gains are like tenfold. Um and the the big part about retruit that's different than terzepatide or semiglutide is that it doesn't uh do the muscle wasting and bone wasting um pieces of it. So if you look at people that are on like Ozempic, um you drop a substantial amount of muscle mass and bone density. You're kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul because yes, you're you're you're improving your cardiovascular health, so osteosclerosis and all everything else, your risk of that goes down from a heart attack perspective. But if you look at you know the three core things of of how long you're gonna live, you know, one of it's your cardiovascular health, second is your your grip strength, and and third is bone density. And so, you know, you're you're shaving two other key components there uh of your life off um with something Lycosampic that is you know crushing your muscle and your bone density. And so um, what's nice about Red is it doesn't have that additional byproduc. Now, you know, you still have to be very cognizant of getting protein in, um, but it doesn't, you know, automatically target your muscles as you're going through it. So it's super crazy breakthroughs. I'm really excited about it.
SPEAKER_01But I think the thing, like obviously, in my space in the fitness industry, like there's a lot of controversy around it because obviously they're technically sold, well, they're not made for, but they're technically sold as weight loss drugs. And while that is one aspect of what they do, I think like looking deeper into it and actually understanding the health benefit, number one, the health benefits of actually losing the weight, but number two, the health benefits of what it actually does internally. And I think that that's where the most exciting part is that it's like if you're a person that can you still need to train, you still need to eat well, you still need to recover, you still need to hydrate, like all of the things still need to happen. But if you're a person that then introduces this, you can get a lot more from from what you're doing. And if we're talking about health and longevity, like I absolutely agree with them used in the right instance. I don't think they're the thing of like if you don't train and you just want like this one thing to fix everything, it will get you to a certain point, but it doesn't do all the things and doesn't build all the habits and the behaviors. So using them alongside all of the stuff that we talk around around training and everything in between, like I do think there is a big place for these, and I think moving forward, the use of them correctly, yeah, it will like it will transform like millions of people's lives.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and
Supplements, Peptides, And Hidden Risks
SPEAKER_00it's it's interesting because like you know, I when I first got into this, I was big into all the peptides, I was big into you know, growth hormone, I was big into all of these different things, and and I've uh you know, what I've done is I've just shrunk all of that down. So I literally only take a multivitamins, I take fish oils, I still take fish oils, by the way. Um, I'm not off of them, I'm back on, baby. Um then I take a couple other things like ceferophane, uh, which is a powerful antioxidant. Uh, and then I take um glutathione uh twice a week, vitamin D uh injection form of that, and then just testosterone, and that's basically all I'm on um, you know, from a pills perspective. I still do take magnesium in the morning and night. I think those are really important. Um, but uh other than that, I I literally have have simplified all my supplement stacks. You know, I was doing all this crazy stuff before, wasn't seeing any benefits of it. And I, you know, and right now the craze in the market is peptides. Like everybody's talking about peptides, peptides, peptides, peptides. I I always caution folks on it. Um and I in uh it's interesting. My uh my uncle, his wife, uh so my my I guess my aunt, my step-ant, I don't know what is that step-ant basically, or I think well, whatever.
SPEAKER_01I'm aunt's aunt. Yeah, I think so. I think so.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think it's your aunt. Yeah. So my aunt, um, she she's a uh um uh physician, she's a doctor, um, and uh she she has her own practice, uh more of that concierge doctor stuff. And uh over the the holidays, I spent some time with her, it's just talking about the health of this stuff that came over. We had a Airbnb, and I was talking to her about all this stuff, and uh I was just picking her brain because I was curious, she's really smart. She's like, you know, into the medical research studies, top notch. You know, to be a concierge doctor, you got to be, you know, top notch on it stuff. And so I was talking about peptides, and I said to her, I'm like, hey, what's your thoughts on all the peptides? And her eyes rolled on the back of her head. And I said, Well, before you give me your advice, my concern with them is that there's not a lot of human clinical trials, you know, on them. And so we don't know exactly what's gonna happen when you use it. She's like, I'm glad you said that because that's the problem. He's like, it could this have some benefits? Yes. Could it cause cancer and kill you? Yes. You know, we don't know. And you know, that's the big thing with with most of these peptides that people are putting in is that they're they're not very well regulated. There's not a lot of data studies um on how they actually impact your body or are are helping your body. Now, there's some good ones coming out on you know, BPC 157 and TB500. There's some really cool studies where it's actually able to repair a lot of the connective tissue um for damaged cells where they would normally have to require surgery and was able to repair um those specific ones. Same thing for stem cells. The problem with stem cells is if you get injected with stem cells, it's it's not like targeted. You can't just inject it to a spot. Your body absorbs those stem cells and uses it where it wants to. So you know, you might want to fix your right shoulder, but you put it in and it fixes your knee. You know, so you know, and and stem cells come with uh a trade-off too. If you have cancer, it just replicates the cancer much faster. So you need to make sure, like if you're doing stem cell treatments, you know, you undergo MRIs and get cancer screenings and things like that before you even look at anything like that, uh, because it's it's literally gonna amplify your cancer multiple years ahead in the future. So a lot of these things come with a lot of trade-offs that you gotta be really cautious of um as you're going and doing it. So I usually say stay away from from the peptides uh completely. You know, the only ones that I'd I'd really recommend is like T B500, BBC BBC 157, only if you're injured. Um, you know, a lot of people use it for anti-inflammatory and they will use it daily. I don't think that's a good idea. Um, I think if you're trying to repair quickly, cool. Um, you know, I I will use it when I'm injured, like I, you know, I pull a muscle or something like that, I'll inject in the localized area there. Um, but other than that, you know, I, you know, serumorin, tesomoralin, uh, stay away from those. You know, those are IGF-1 boosters for a growth hormone. Uh, if you're gonna do growth hormone, just pay the price and do real growth hormone. Um, you know, so I stay away from peptides as much as possible.
SPEAKER_01But I think all of this is like the there are buzzwords, and you will see it depending on the circles or how your algorithm is set up. But like it's in my world, it is everywhere, and I'm sure it's the same for you. But yeah, either way, understand what it is you're putting in your body, why you're actually doing it, what the pros and cons are, and do your own fucking research. Steve and I are not doctors, in case you weren't weren't noticed. Still the aren't a doctor. Not yet, not a doctor, yeah, not financial advice. Um, I
Weekly Commitment And Sign Off
SPEAKER_01think we'll wrap it up there, because I know that you have a lot to talk about, so we'll keep it for many more episodes, but we are back.
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