Hacking Your Health
Hacking Your Health Podcast with Ben Canning and Dave Kennedy - Two guys setting out to hack body, mind, business and beyond. We are here to provide a single source, bullshit free guide to understanding your body and how you can live better, for longer.
Hacking Your Health
The Health Basics Everyone Keeps Ignoring
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The biggest improvements in your health won't come from another supplement - they'll come from consistently doing the boring things well. We cover the fundamentals of sleep, hydration, nutrition, movement and why consistency beats complexity every time.
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Welcome And Weekend Stories
DaveYo, what's up, everybody? Yo, what's up, everybody?
SPEAKER_01Yo, what's up, everybody? It's Dave Kennedy. Welcome back to the Hacking Your Health podcast. I'm Dave Kennedy.
DaveAnd I'm Ben Canning.
SPEAKER_01What's up, dude? What's going on?
DaveNot much, man. Good weekend. Uh, I got a lot done. Uh my uh son is now going through um his temps, uh, which is great. And uh it was funny because I was watching him destroy all these cones. So there's like driver's ed, and uh he's destroying all these cones as he's driving, which is not good, obviously, but he's learning. And uh and so they um they let the parents at the end drive. And of course, I turned this into an extremely competitive situation where I had to be better than any of the dads. And so, you know, like we got this um, we got a used car, it's a kind of like a mini SUV. Uh, it's it's a tiny one, it's like a crossover. And um, and so you have to basically gun it, go like 40 miles an hour, and then you have the stop lights that that turn red or green, and whatever side is green, you have to quickly like steer over to that side, and then you have to gun it through these cones. It's like a you know, it's an obstacle course basically. And I took that whole thing going like 50 miles an hour. I was drifting where my my back's kicking out, and I and and and I I didn't hit a cone and I destroyed that course, and my son was like, dude, my dad's a badass. And I was like, that's right, that's right. Yeah, and all all the instructors were like, Yeah, your dad is really good. Like, yeah, I was like, Yeah, I know, I know I'm good at driving. Yeah, yeah, didn't hit one cone, smoked the whole course in record time. Um, and I definitely beat all the other dads that were there. Um, you know, the moms, you know, whatever. They were like going like 10 miles an hour is fine. That's totally fine, you know. But like it's funny because like when Mason's driving with with his mom, it's very reserved, you know, very and I'm like, nah, man, go go faster, dude. Like, just let's figure this out, you know. Like, let's go on the freeway. He's like, Dad, I've only been driving for like two hours. I'm like, yeah, no, it's good. Let's go just drive on the freeway. We're good, we're gonna figure it out.
SPEAKER_01So like you're given the real life scenarios, not just like this the we're like actually teaching them how to drive and not teaching him how to just pass the test.
DaveExactly right. You know, it's it's different. You know, you look at when we grew up as kids, you know, like the we barely got to drive at all. And then you get your driver's license, and then basically you're you're learning through through all of that, right? So, you know, for me, I'm like, hey, let my kids, you know, I'm I'm obviously in control of the situation. I'm like, let them figure out how to do this, how to, you know, work in certain ways and do things differently. So, you know, just all an experience piece here that you know um I wanted him to do. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01Nice, cool. I had a last minute trip over to see Matt at 11:30 p.m. on Friday night. I booked a 6 a.m. flight. Um ended up going to a Luke Combs concert and like just having an absolutely hilarious weekend with with Matt and Sarah, which was uh which was well needed, probably needed more than that I knew at the time. But um you need that, you definitely need that. You do, you do, because we can get so caught up in just the like working the other stuff, and it was like we we say this all the time, it it's so easy. Like I can get from my house to his house in three hours. Obviously, he lives in in Scotland, so I have to get a flight, but um like it's so easy to do. I'm like, Yeah, we should definitely do that more often, and then like six months goes by and we're like, Well, we should definitely do that more often.
The View Without The Climb
SPEAKER_01Um but today I want to talk about something that uh that comes up time and time again and somewhat of a frustration of mine. And I think the best way I can phrase it is everybody wants the view, but nobody wants to climb the mountain. And I think it's the and you'll get it too when people ask you like what supplement I need to take, or what is the perfect workout plan that I need to do, or what peptides should I be looking at? And I'm like, bro, like what about your sleep, or what about your nutrition? So I think what we need to do today is establish what the basic things are that people can do to improve their health and their quality of their life. And I've broken it down into three layers. And I think the first place that we need to start is like the the actual health stuff that you need to do. So like the the physiological stuff that you can do for yourself and where to start. For me, it has to start
Sleep As The First Lever
SPEAKER_01with sleep. Like I put a tweet out earlier on that the ultimate productivity hack is just actually getting enough sleep. And I mean, mixed reports on that, but I think until you actually actively prioritize your sleep and set boundaries around it, you don't know how much better the quality of your life can be just actually from getting enough sleep.
DaveListen, I just want to I want to hit on that the concept you had talked about around you know supplements and peptides. You have no idea how many times a week I get asked by people with which peptides I recommend, which supplements I recommend. You know, we even had to create a trigger on Discord so people could just ask what supplements I take, because I was tired of typing it out all the time, right? And you know, what's interesting is you know, talking from somebody that has been down this rabbit hole substantially, right? You know, I was taking at some point in time like 60 pills a day, you know, everything from you know vitamin D to vitamin supplements to NAD to NAC to, you know, I I was taking literally, you know, 60 supplements a day. Uh on top of that, I was taking pretty much every peptide that you can possibly imagine. So CG states, you know, you know, BBC 157, uh, you know, I was taking uh seromorlin, testamorlin, ipomorin. Um, you know, I was doing all of these these different things, and I noticed nothing, to be honest with you. Like, you know, you know, I always get asked, like, dude, what'd you notice when you were on it? I'm like, nothing. Nothing at all. Like, nothing changed. So my blood work stayed the same, nothing changed. Like, I didn't have more energy. I didn't, you know, magically lose a million pounds and gain 700 pounds of muscle. Like, it did nothing. And, you know, I'm not saying there isn't value out of certain supplementation where you're deficient, but unless you know that, unless you know where you're deficient at, do you really need to supplement over that? Um, you know, is is the question. Your body does a very good job at regulation. And it and and so going back to your concept of fundamentals, well, if you're eating just ultra-processed foods and shit all day, then yes, you're going to need to supplement with other things, you know, uh minerals that you aren't getting from that food, so that your body can have good building blocks to build good cells and and everything else. And so, you know, for me, you know, I I've pretty much knocked out almost almost everything. I tilt, I still take, you know, like telemazartin and azemabine, which are uh um cardiovascular health uh uh prescriptions, they're they're um they're basically for ensuring that you have good good blood pressure, um, good LDL and HDL cholesterol balance so that you know it's a preventative. So over time, you know, as I get older, my cardiovascular supports uh today is good. But I've I've looked at the medical research on that, it's good. And then basically, you know, everything else is just like I stopped taking you know glutathione, you know, three times a week, which I still think is very beneficial, but didn't notice any any improvements. I mean, my liver and kidney are perfect. I don't need additional detoxification of things. Um, you know, so I stopped, I stopped going down that rabbit hole and I basically just use testosterone. So, you know, every Monday, Wednesday, Friday I do, you know, 0.3 milliliters. So I'm at nine, you know, nine, uh, ninety, 0.90 milliliters. So, you know, basically like 190 milligrams of testosterone, which keeps me in that 900 to 1000 range. I don't deviate or change from that. It stays the same all year round. Um, and and I basically take you know some basic pills. I the one staple I still take is you know, vitamin D and uh magnesium. Uh, and then I I started eating the um the Flintstone vitamins again. Those are so good. Uh, do the Flintstone vitamins in the morning, uh, yeah, and that's it. You know, and so going back to the basic components is like like those things may have some benefit for you, but it's going to be so small uh in the retrospect if you were to do things like getting good sleep. If you're not, if you're not getting good sleep, then you're not even doing the basics that is going to give you any of those benefits, you know. And and there are studies that are like, you know, hey, if you are really bad at sleep, if you take, you know, 50 grams of creatine a day, you can offset the the negative balance. Why not just get some sleep? Why why not just get sleep? You know, like that's that's going to fix a large percentage of what you're done, what you do, and your body needs it. And I'll tell you, people that that get good sleep, it it is directly impactful to their blood work next time they go around. Like you'll see substantial improvements in almost every category in your blood work if you're getting good sleep. Like 100%.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but I think even like you know, uh obviously we can talk about it from uh being so many years down the line. But if I had a it'll be, I guess it will nearly be at six years this September. Um so like say when we have that initial call and you're like, right, what I need to do, now me knowing you guys maybe would have just said, yes, okay, let's do it. But if I had said, okay, right, you need to start taking these supplements, you need to start taking testosterone right away, and you need to start doing this before starting to implement all the basics and like looking at the fundamental things. And it's like there is a place for those, but not until you actually know what you can do from just dealing with basics. So again, if we if we start with sleep, I'm gonna tell you that I'm not perfect with my sleep. Sometimes I'm really good, sometimes I'm not really good. The creative team thing, yes, I do use it, but I try not to abuse it. Um but for me, whenever it comes to you know, starting off with a client, we look at sleep and see what they're getting now and where we can improve it. And everybody's like, Oh, I can't get more because I need to do this, or you know, the one that I hear quite often is, well, you know, I'm busy throughout the day, and then I need to spend time with the kids, and then I feel like it's the only time that I get to myself. Like, but you're you're stealing time from the future version of you. So like you're just caught in that constant loop of like, okay, well, maybe I'll stay up and play computer games until 1 a.m. and then I have to get up at 6 a.m. because I need to go to the whatever. Um, but it's like if you if you just break that cycle and start to introduce good sleep, you will feel infinitely better and you get more done throughout the day. So it's like trying to just get into the habit of like, how can I get more from what I'm doing without just abusing the hours that I have at the at the end of the day. The simplest thing for sleep is understand, like always work backwards on this. Understand what time you have to get up at, okay? Whether that's up for the gym, up for work, up to bring kids to school, whatever it might be, and then work backwards from that. You'll have a rough idea as to what you need from sleep. Okay, the guidance says eight hours. I don't actually like getting eight hours. I don't think eight hours works for me specifically. I think if I get seven, I'm good. Like I think that that's my sort of sweet spot. I think no matter what time I go to sleep at, I'll wake up seven hours later and I'll I'll be good to go. So take seven hours back, then you need your sort of ease and routine, set the boundaries around screen time, you know, eating, caffeine time way before that. Like if you start with that and you do that for a week and you notice the improvements in terms of sleep. And I think that the funny thing is whenever I see it with plants and they do it for like three, four, five, six months, and then they maybe travel or they have an event or you know, they they miss it, they then start to feel like they did before, and then like, oh my god, this is awful. I'm like, but this is the way you always were before you actually this is the way you always felt that's why you felt like shit, because you actually weren't doing this in the first place. So it's like something that you can do to reset that so that you know what it actually feels like to be well slept, so you can get the most from yourself throughout the day, so you don't feel like you need to then like get that time for yourself at the end of the day that's stealing from the future version of you. And you went through the sleep thing as well, like, and it's not a case of again, we're back to the okay, well, what do I need to buy? Then I need to get in eight sleep and I need to start taking magnesium and I need to do melatonin. I'm like, no. Stop trying to just buy something that's gonna skip all of the stuff. Just actually try and set fucking boundaries around your sleep, go to bed at a certain time, wake up at a certain time, stay consistent with that, and everything else from those times will run like clockwork, literally.
DaveWell, you know, it's about building that foundation of things at work, right? Uh and changing your habits. Uh, one thing I will say is like my sleep is is so important to me uh in every regard. So it is very rare for me not to get you know seven to eight hours of sleep a day. Uh that is, you know, everybody's always like, oh man, you must not sleep. No, I sleep seven to eight hours a day. I just become very efficient at what I do the rest of my day, right?
SPEAKER_01And you get that because you sleep. Like you can get to almost 100% any day.
DavePeople don't understand that. Good, good foundation, good sleep equals good mind equals you being more productive and being able to get things, which includes more energy, right? And so, you know, for me, like uh just this last weekend, so I um Mason with his his drive team, I had to wake up at six o'clock in the morning to get on there by 7 30, right? And so, you know, I had to wake up super early. But guess what? I went to bed a little bit earlier, um, you know, and I still ensured I got my sleep, but I might have gotten a nap or two, you know, throughout the day or something, you know, get a 20, 30-minute nap, which does help, you know, especially in those types of situations. But usually for me, like regardless of where I'm at, like Saturday night, we did uh what's called a lock-in at Airsoft, which is from 8 p.m. till 2 a.m. You know, I, you know, we left around 1 a.m. or something like that, right? So, and then I had to wake up early to take Mason. And so I didn't get my hours of sleep. And I will tell you, I felt like total ass that entire day. Um, you know, and so I took a couple naps, which helped out a lot and everything else, and and sunlight. So getting outside in the sun, um, you know, feeling those rays and and and the heat and in your eyes, um, there's direct correlation to uh sunlight uh stimulation in your eyes to your circadian rhythm and getting you know awake and and having that feeling of awake, you know, very early on. That's why first thing I wake up in the morning, um, I have in my bathroom, I have um those those mood lights, uh, which is basically trying to stimulate the sun, right? And the first thing I do when I get into the bathroom is I turn my mood lights on um and and get that direct sunlight exposure so that it's saying, hey, it's time to wake up. It's it's like a boost of coffee right, you know, first thing in the morning by doing something like that. So for me, you know, I've I've focused on patterns that I can reproduce, but it's all based on the fundamentals of getting good sleep and making sure that I've optimized myself. Same thing, you know, I talked about this before in the podcast. I could never figure out after I'd work out. So if I, regardless if I go to Orange Theory um or if I go and I lift, I'm exhausted afterwards. And I could never figure out why. And I heard a podcast with we haven't talked about Huberman in a while. So I was a podcast with Huberman, and he said something that's the fact that your body doesn't know that it's not under that intense stress anymore. And so you're like continuously wired, which is basically draining your battery cell, right? And so one thing I do after every workout is I I lay on my back. I lay on my back for about three to five minutes, uh, and that lets my body know, like, hey, you're done with it, you can chill. Uh, and that alone has you know, like I get I get no sluggishness after I work out anymore. I know it sounds weird, like laying on your back, like you could be on a on a couch or you know, in your bedroom, or I just do it on the gym floor, you know, just I'll just be on my phone, you know, for for five minutes on my phone, just laying down on my back. Um, that calms myself down. So, but again, it's all based on foundation. One, you know, I actually go to the gym and I work out, you know, and I'm doing the fundamentals, the basics, I get good sleep. Now I'm just optimizing routines that that work very well for me, you know, to make sure that I'm optimizing everything I do throughout the day. You know, stake sticking with the basics and then applying things on top of that makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I think like obviously there are going to be times where it has the potential to be thrown off. I leave for Vegas on Friday, and I'm already looking at like how can I gradually acclimatize myself to being essentially eight hours behind on my sleep this week. So, like, what can I do to these yellows so that I'm not completely fucked when I bring it to Vegas? So sleep, work out your, you know, what time you need to get up, work backwards, how many hours of sleep you want, and then filter the boundaries in around that. And like prioritizing your sleep doesn't cost you anything. People want to spend money because they think that they'll get that dopamine hit that that's the thing that's gonna make them progress because they've bought the thing or whatever. Quick fix, quick fixes. That's what we're used to. Exactly.
Hydration Before Caffeine
SPEAKER_01Second thing is hydration.
DaveAnd I think again, to the point of people will this is one area of full disclosure I'm not great at, but I'm just gonna throw that out there that I need to do better at this. Okay, so I I I I have weaknesses here. I have weaknesses here.
SPEAKER_01That's okay. But that's okay. Because I think that this this should, like I said, I'm not great at sleep. I could be better. I'm very good at hydration. Like I I again notice that if I miss it, and again, dealing with clients all the time, you know, people will say that they wake up and they quote, need coffee right away. Your body is in a dehydrated state because if you've gotten eight hours sleep, I would imagine you haven't drank anything in eight to ten hours, if not more. So it's not that you need coffee or need caffeine, you actually just need to rehydrate yourself. And again, like I said, I stayed at uh at Matt and Sarah's over the weekend. I'm like, they do drink water in the morning, it's not that, but they're like coffee next thing. I'm like, I'm not really a caffeine in the morning person, and I don't really abuse caffeine like I used to. But for hydration, again, until you actually know what it feels like to be fully hydrated, you don't know the difference in terms of how you feel. And again, whenever you get to the point that you know what it's like to feel fully hydrated, if you're not, then you you feel the impact, you're like, oh man, I feel like shit. And again, you're like, well, this is what you fucking always felt like underslept, under hydrated, and that's why you felt fucked all the time. For me, the very bare minimum is like three liters. I think if you can get three litres of water and you're probably good. I tend to get in for like four and a half. Um, Harper always asks, like, Dad, you drink so much water, and I'm like, Yes, I do. I'm glad that you know that, and I hope that you take that with you because that is something that is important. And again, it doesn't fucking cost you anything to be hydrated.
DaveSo, so I I I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. I don't know. First of all, I'm not a big water guy. Uh that's that's that's a problem with me in the first place. And I I need to change you know what? That's an excuse.
SPEAKER_01That's a that's a story that you're telling yourself.
DaveNo, no, 100%. So so I'm gonna make a commitment that that by next podcast, starting today, I because you can you could say, hey, I'm gonna start this tomorrow. Starting today, starting right now, I'm gonna try to get three liters of water in a day. Now, I would tell you that that my wife and my daughter are literally religious about getting that amount. I mean, like, like it's a cult at this point for our family. Like, they have to have their you know little thing that they drink out of, and they have to go through X amount a day. Like, they are religious at that. They're really good. And no matter where we go, she's always got water with her, she's always drinking water. Um, I'm gonna start the same thing today. And I and I and I've tried this before, and then I just forget about it and I don't do it. So I'm gonna start today. It's it's a commitment, and I'm gonna focus on the basics of hydration.
SPEAKER_01Next week, every every time I see in Vegas next week or whenever you're gonna be there, I'm just gonna hand you a bottle of water. I'll just be like, I'm I'll be Bobby Boucher, I'll be the water boy. But even with that, like it's people are like, oh, I just you know, because it's not top of mind. And I think the way that I approach it is first thing in the morning, I will fill a we hack health shapier, don't have one here this time there's that's 750 mils, and that's the first thing that I drink through the day. And then I have this beside me at all times, and I probably drink three of those. I don't know how many meters it is, it's probably fucking fluid ounces or some shit, some American fucking metric. Um but like I don't because it you make it easy, you put it in front of you. And I think one thing that I've observed as well, like whenever I'm I'm hosting the group calls weekly with with clients, like if I drink water and you see everybody else, like an environmental thing. So if I'm drinking water and I see everybody else pick up their cups, so it's like just make it as obvious as possible and drink enough water. So that's you you you may get go on Amazon right now, order yourself whatever the fuck you need to have your like this is how many of these that I need to drink and it's gotta look really cool though.
DaveIt's gotta be like tactical and like army green and stuff like that. You know, it's gotta look like it's a manly water cup, not like one of those, like, you know.
SPEAKER_01Maybe this isn't the colors for you, but the yeti ones are the one. Like I said, the mates again, these these Yeti ones, like, to me are the best. So get one of these. And as a um I haven't put this out publicly yet, but there's uh We Hack Health Collab biohacking village yeti bottles available.
DaveGood news, they make they make camo based yetis. So I am I am definitely down. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And do you know what you can do? You can customize it, get at hacking vive or put it.
DaveAnd so it looks really cool. I mean, that's what I'm talking about, yeah. Like in America.
unknownYeah.
Nutrition And Ultra-Processed Food
SPEAKER_01Right, so we've got sleep, we've got integration. The next thing is like your food, your nutrition. And this is obviously something that that does come with a cost, but you do have to eat, and it just comes down to making better choices. And the thing that I've been leaning into recently when I'm talking to clients is like almost not eliminating, but like bringing the balance back to an actual balance of like the majority, if not everything that you can to be like whole foods, nutrient-dense foods, or like things can be processed like cheese or you know, milk or like butter, things like like that go through some sort of process, but not the high ultra-processed bullshit that you're probably consuming. And again, when you get to the point that you eat good food and your body feels good, when you eat something that is ultra-processed or what you're potentially used to eating right now, like you feel the difference in terms of your body. So if you just actually fuel your body efficiently, and the thing that comes up time and time again is like, oh, you know, I just get so bored of this and bored of that and whatever. And I'm like, but I can't eat the same foods every day. And while I do understand that to an extent, I can guarantee if you actually looked at the foods you eat across the week, it's probably the same foods that you just eat on repeat, but it's just the ones that you're used to. So the change becomes a problem. I literally eat the same foods every single day. I don't have any issues with that. I I mean I laugh that I've eaten that uh cold oats every day for 12 and a half years. I have the same two chicken breasts with rice and like some salad or insert, whatever veg every single day. The reason that I like it is it makes it makes everything predictable. So my shopping list is predictable because I know how many of those things that I need to buy for the entire week. My meal timings are predictable because I eat the same things. How I feel and my energy is predictable because I eat the same things at the same time. So it may not be quote exciting to some people, but I really enjoy the foods that I eat. I eat good quality foods and I feel good for the foods that I eat.
DaveYeah, the the I can't emphasize enough the the food component of things. Like there's so many data studies out there um, you know, on on ultra-processed foods and not hitting our our receptors in our heads for for fulfillness. And there's um I've referenced this book before, but it's called Own the Day by Marcus Aubrey, I think is his name. Um crazy, crazy guy long. It's Aubrey Marcus, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, yeah. Yeah, and um and same guy, but he's he's crazy now. He he He's gotten into like ayahuasca and uh now his podcast went from like health and fitness to like I don't know spiritual demons and stuff like that. I have no idea. But anyways, uh, but his book is really good. And he uses an analogy in there that I really liked a lot, which is you know, if you're if you're trying to build a house and you know, you you you go to the Home Depot and you buy the the cheapest, the most scrapped-down product ever, well, your house isn't going to be built on a good foundation, right? Whereas if you use the right material to build that house, you know, it'll be able to sustain. Now, that house, you know, may look good on the outside, um, but on the inside, you know, it's rotting away and and and falling down. It's not built on a solid foundation. So, you know, when you look at at your DNA and you look at what your body uses for nutrients, you know, those those nutrients are so important to make good cells. And so what happens is as you eat bad foods, you produce bad cells, which then runs your body down uh in many ways. You know, it will use whatever it possibly can to try to rebuild your cells to continue life, but it's not the right approach to longevity or how you feel or mental health or brain fog and all of those different things. So, you know, for me, um I really try to eat extremely healthy uh most of the time. And and and you know, this is taking me years to get to, but I don't really care about what I eat. Um, I care about what I eat. Um, you know, and is it the right thing for my body? So, you know, I can literally live off of chicken, rice, and broccoli, you know, for the rest of my life. Like if they're like one food, I'd really miss steak a lot. I really would, but I could eat chicken, rice, and broccoli for forever. Like there's like that that meal is something that is a staple, right? And it provides everything you need. You get, you know, carbohydrates, you get, you know, the greens, you get, you know, broccoli's got a good amount of protein in it too. It also has sulfurophane in it, which is an amazingly powerful uh antioxidant uh, you know, for cleansing your body. Um, it has you know protein, obviously, lean protein. Um, it has literally everything that you need into it. And so, you know, when you go to a when you go to a restaurant, I was just, you know, I was at um I went out for a team dinner last week uh with our team that was on site for a customer we were at. And uh we went to this new place and their their pasta marinara uh bologna looked really good. Like it was it looked incredible. I got the steak, you know, because I was like, I don't have my protein goals yet. I need the protein, you know, so I'm going with the steak, you know. So I I went with, hey, this would be nice to have because it looks awesome and it probably tastes really good, but it's not really what my body needs right now. I need this over here. So, and don't get me wrong, it's not like, you know, oh man, I'm slumming it to protein or to a steak, you know, a fillet is amazing. So, you know, so you always have to look at it from the perspective of like, you know, hey, if you're gonna eat out, that's fine. You know, if you're gonna have a Wendy's burger or something like that, that's fine. You know, but but if that's what consumes most of your daily intake, then it's gonna be really bad for you in the long run. I mean, I probably eat out fast food, you know, once or twice a week, which is again, that's perfectly fine. I'm in my calorie regimen, uh, you know, but everything else is typically home cooked meals. You know, I have a service that I really recommend uh for people, especially if you're here in the States. I've used this for years and it's been consistent across the board. It's called Tavala. And Tavala has an app, and every week you select, you know, how many, if you want two meals a day, if you want six meals a day, they have family sizes, and they give you an oven, you know, that's a it's a cooking oven, and it has you put water in it so it keeps you know the moisture in and everything, but it's never frozen food. So it comes to your door cold, but it's never frozen. So it's not you know processed foods or things like that, it's fresh food. And you literally just take these aluminum foil tin can uh you know tinchers and you pop them into the oven, you scan the QR code from the meal and it cooks the meal for you. It's the easiest thing ever. If you want a you know really good, nutrient dense meal that's really healthy, it's not it's not ultra-processed. Tavala is like the easiest service and it's very reasonably priced. So our entire family uses it. We we usually have two or three meals a week that are family meals from tavala. And then I get shipped uh four meals a week that I use for lunch typically throughout the week. And then, you know, maybe we'll sub it in with for some like PF Changs or something for you know, rice, broccoli, and chicken and stuff like that. You know, again, fast food, but again, more nutrient dense than anything else you're gonna get. So that's kind of where I looked at it and getting into that routine of always having them. I've had the tavala service now, I think, for four years straight, you know, and and that's a constant in my house. And there's you can skip it if you're going on vacation for that week or whatever. It's very customizable. And then in the app, they probably have each week, they probably have 30 different meals you can order. And you can order very unhealthy things, by the way. You know, like they have pizzas and things like that, right? Um, but it's one of those things that um, you know, I really, really like a lot and and um has been really good for my nutrient, you know, uh type of capacity for food.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, I think as well, like finding what works for you. Do you know what I mean? Like I think go back to how it works for me because it's easy and like I know how long things take to cook, I know how much you need to have, I know what's in the house and what's not in the house. Um if I felt like I needed a little bit more variety, something like Twilight would be good. But I think then, you know, looking at at food in general, for me, uh I know that people don't like tracking food. I know that you said you would track food forever and now you've changed your mind, but you get to the point where you don't necessarily need to because you know what you're like you're in tune with what your body needs and and like how much. But if you take if we go back to probably maybe uh eight years ago, I was coaching the Jim Flor, and the the big movement in the fitness industry was if it fits your macros, then essentially like you can eat whatever the fuck you want as long as it fitted in your macros, which uh is true to your point, but you will look better and feel better if you eat good quality foods. Um I will always quote Helm on this, and I said it before on the podcast calories will control your weight. So you can eat in a deficit and eat fucking donuts and you will lose weight. Yes. Macros control your body composition, so how your protein fats and carbs are made up will control your body composition. So if they're better or more in line, or you're hitting a protein target, your body composition will improve as well as your weight. And then the microbes, so you're talking about broccoli and anything in between, it's like fruit, veg, and whatever else, like that controls how you feel. So if you take that into consideration, actually just tracking to see where all of those things fit and how like how it looks is probably the best learning experience or education around food and nutrition that you can do. Because I think we're so far away from like what portion should look like and how much we should eat. And it's back to, you know, we spoke about this last week of the week before. You know, we take this stuff home from the restaurants because the means are fucking enormous, but that's what's expected in terms of a meal. So track your food, get an idea of what you need, hit your protein target, eat good quality, whole foods, and once again you will feel better.
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SPEAKER_01To your point of like, I still will go out and enjoy a burger. I know sometimes I'm not gonna feel great after, but sometimes I'm okay with that. Not all of the time, but like I I would pick the steak as well because I know how I'm gonna feel and it makes it profitable once again.
DaveYeah, I was I was watching an interview, so you know, in America, we have this, I don't know, you have uh can't remember his name. It's one of the Kennedys, Bobby Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy. Uh he's in charge of our health, you know, thing. And and I and I like a lot of what he's doing around, you know, like I understand it's political and controversial. I don't get into any of that, but you look at the the fundamentals of what he's what he's doing, he's he's talking about eating real food, right? And he's talking about getting rid of ultra-processed foods. Now, I don't think, you know, he's he's really big on this thing. I again I don't follow much, I don't watch the news, I don't know much about it, but he's really big on supplementing things like uh corn syrup with real sugar. Now, if you look at the data studies, it doesn't really seem to make a difference on you know corn syrup versus sugar, health-wise, longevity-wise. So I don't know what the the root cause of that is, but I was watching an interview from the CEO of Shake Shack, and not Shake Shack, uh, what's the name of the um hang on, I'll I'll find it in a second as we're as we're talking about it. But it's a CEO from a major burger place, um, uh Steak and Shake. Steak and Shake is what it was. Sorry. And and he he's like, I'm all above uh um all about this this movement. And he's like, so they've started switching all of their ingredients. So everything they do is all natural cane sugar. Um, all of their um meats and um frying is done in beef tallow, um, you know, not no oils or things like that. And I think that's a huge thing, right? You know, I you know, there's a lot of studies on the oils, and it it kind of ranges in spectrum. Like some studies are like, hey, it's gonna kill you in cancer, and you know, few wise, and then there's all the ones that are like, hey, it's not gonna hurt you at all. I have to imagine the seed oils and the ultra-processed oils that you're putting in your body probably aren't good for you. There's no nutritional aspect to it that are happy, uh help helping out. And if you look at how fries were made, you know, in the 70s and 80s, it was all done in beef tallow and things like that, and didn't have a lot of these obesity issues. Same thing for the food that you're putting in the bodies, you know, they're actually using real bread and not enriched bread and things like that, right? So, you know, things that would actually send signals to your brain saying, hey, stop eating, you know, for them, the big, big, you know, big uh fast food chains, they're like, no, hey, we don't want them to feel full. We want them to eat as much possible, you know, meals as you can. And he's like, we're also coming out with slim options that reduces portion size so that you're eating within a real meal instead of focusing on you know what's big. He said, I'm we're not gonna stop making the big meals because it's your choice that what you want to do, but we're gonna give options for the folks that that need to do. And I think that's that's a great thing. You know, the the thing that that you know I look at is, you know, I always go back to, you know, I remember uh watching a video uh in the 70s of a bunch of high school kids um that were you know doing gym class, right? And there is not one obese person in that entire class, you know, and and it was like a class of like 500. You know, there was not one obese person in that. If you do that same picture today, you're gonna see at least 60% of those kids that are you know obese, right? And so something has obviously changed in how we're eating foods, you know, from the 70s and 80s and 90s into today. And so you look at that, it all comes down to the nutrition you're putting into your body. We have so much availability on calories, you know, there's no reason you should ever go hungry, by the way, in this country, um, you know, with how cheap, you know, the ultra-processed foods are. But at the same time, it's killing us and making us substantially more unhealthy. That's why we have all these comorbities on obesity, heart defects, cancer. All of that's coming through on this. So, you know, if you want to, you know, if you, if you, if you want to live longer for your kids or for your family, you know, you want less risk of cancer. Um, these are all things that you should be doing right now as a staple pillar is eating good food. Um, and that's home cooked food, that is food from you know, the store, uh, whole foods. I don't get into the, you know, like I don't think there's a huge, and there's not a lot of evidence to support it, but like, you know, grass-fed versus, you know, processed meats and things like that. I'm not I'm not saying processed meats is like, you know, like the hot dogs, those probably aren't great for you. But you know, things like, you know, if you're getting a steak from, you know, a farm-raised, you know, animal versus, I'm not gonna talk about the ethics of that, but farm raised, you know, grass-fed versus, you know, what you get at the you know, commodity stores. I don't think there's a major difference nutrient-wise in any of those personally. They they all seem to be be the same, at least from the data studies. But you know, I still try to go get grass-fed. I go to local butcher shop, you know, the animals live a good life. Um, I'm big on that and animal uh uh uh capacity. So, you know, whatever you whatever you could do to get better foods in your body is only going to make you is only gonna make you better. I agree, agree.
SPEAKER_01So we've got sleep, we've got hydration, we've got
Movement Cardio And Lifting Benefits
SPEAKER_01nutrition. The other thing is movement. And again, I am a fan of the gym and weight and resistance training, but it doesn't need to be that. But something that is intentional movement, and I would imagine, given the nature of the people that we talk to, they sit at a desk all day. So literally anything. So if we look at it and and how I program it, as you know, is like a step goal or a time spent actually walking, preferably outside to get the benefits of being outside, some sort of cardio goal, and I know that I'm sort of gradually moving into my cardio era. I'm not like have never been someone who loves cardio. I still don't love it. But I know, and actually I was talking to James about it, like I I I'm currently in the headspace that I'm doing cardio because I want the benefits of doing cardio. It's not that I'm like, I want to go and run a marathon or insert whatever thing, but I want the benefits of it in terms of how it improves my rest and heart rate, my heart rate availability, my recovery, my recovery between sets, like and the benefits of the quality of life long term. Uh and then obviously weight and resistance training. I think you know, we've we have went over this time and time again. But the the benefit of building muscle and being strong goes beyond just the the aesthetic part of it.
DaveYeah, the uh the we we've talked about this so many times on this podcast, but the benefits of putting your body under good strain and stress alleviates alleviate stress, first and foremost. Like the cognitive clarity that I have after I lift, for one, not just the accomplishment of doing it, right? I went out there and I did it, even though I didn't want to. Um, but secondly, you know, what it does for your body is just astronomy. Like, I always love to go back to my blood work when I first started on this journey and looking at my blood work now. And it's so much better today in every regard. Every aspect of my body on the blood work is has improved night and day difference than it ever was, you know, five or six years ago. And so, you know, what it does to your body is it it really creates a situation for you to be successful, uh, you know, whether that's in work, whether that's in life, um, whether that's in dedication, whether that's in persistence, uh, delayed onset gratification. You know, those those things are all things that that lifting or cardiovascular work, whatever it is, just go going out for yourself and doing whether it's a walk in the park or you know, lifting up some weights, those things have such a drastic impact on you that it's it's it's you know, I would argue, I wouldn't say it's more important than sleep, but I would say it's better more important than hydration. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_01You will get more from it if you're properly hydrated. 100%. 100%. I wouldn't like to pick, I wouldn't like to pick either. I mean, we again we've had this conversation, but you know, there's that that conversation around even if you're up to 2% hydrated, it will impact your like your ability, your performance by up to 20%. And that's like physically and mentally. Um, but yeah, for for weight and resistance training, like, yeah, okay, it's cool to build muscle, it's cool to look and feel good, it's cool to be strong. Like again, looking forward to catching up with you and a couple other guys in Vegas and actually go on training. Like, I enjoy the process of feeling strong. But I also know like I mean, I've I've been lifting weights for 12 and a half years, like I know the huge impact that that's gonna have on the quality of my life down the line.
DaveYeah, 100%. Absolutely. One one thing, uh are we done with our three our pillars real quick?
Consistency And Better Environments
SPEAKER_01No, we're gonna talk then about behaviors. So now we need to be consistent with the. I know you're intended, I know, but like we need to be in the basics before you go off on the like absolutely not basics. Okay, um behavior, like a consistency thing, because again, I've seen it time and time again that you know, and you have said it yourself, like you used to do insert whatever workout training plan for X amount of weeks or diet or insert whatever, and you just weren't consistent with it. And I think like if someone comes to me like, okay, well, what do I need to do? Example Johnny, the guy that owns a unit next door, is a mechanic, and he came to me a couple weeks ago and he was like, I've lost three stones. I realize in the world of pines and kilograms, I don't fucking know what a stone is either, but he definitely looks much better. He's like, What do I need to do to lose the rest of it? And like, you just need to be consistent with it and do it for a long period of time, which is the last fucking thing that people want to hear. I'm like, You mean I have to do this for like literally years? And I'm like, Yes, you need to do it for years if you want to actually get into good shape and lose weight and keep it off. And I think with the consistency thing, it's sometimes misunderstood. Like, I think people think that they need to be 100% perfect all the time, every day, every week, forever, to kick the box in terms of consistency. But I've said more recently is like for example, we can use it because it's coming up. I can't imagine I'm gonna do my exact training plans whenever I'm in Vegas, because I'm just gonna go and have some fun and like we'll probably train upper body more than we'll train legs because that's how we end up doing things. But I will still be intensible in movement. I will still be on my feet and walking a lot because of the nature of the conference, and I will do some cardio. I'll maybe not do the exact cardio outline that I have at the minute, but I will be consistent in the things that I do because I think the biggest downfall for people is whenever they travel or insert whatever thing happens, they stop doing it, and the difficulty is to get back to it. And like, okay, well, if you just don't stop doing it, you don't have to go through the having to get back on the wagon because you actually never came off of it.
DaveYeah, it's uh listen, I the consistency aspect of things. I I struggle with this personally. Like I go on and off uh in certain certain areas, you know, over time, i.e. the check-ins, uh, which we're starting back up at at DEF CON, right? The consistency there. And I will tell you though, you know, I had full control when I was doing this over any aspect I could do, right? Like I could literally make small changes or deviations and it didn't, you know, break a framework or something like that. And I was consistent with everything. The you know, weekly photos and and things like that. I mean, I went several years without missing one of those, without skipping a beat, right? And so the consistency thing, I think, is is such an important aspect um to all of this. You know, I there there are weeks, like even when I was in Florida, you know, when I was on vacation, there there are times where I'm like, it's it's vacation, just go and relax. But then like I'm like, yeah, but I don't need to relax. What is that gonna do for me if I, you know, if I why don't I just go and get a lift in really quick? You know, like we uh I'll give you an example. So we we went to the we checked in at this like holiday inn or something like that in Florida. It was we were stayed in Tampa for two days and then went over to Cocoa Beach. And we check into our hotel, and our hotel room's not ready, and they're like super far behind. Uh, I guess there was like a big Kanye concert in town or something. So like the whole place was packed, okay? And and the rooms weren't ready yet. And they're like, it's gonna be about three or four hours. And I'm like, well, what do we want to do for three or four hours? And she or I think it was like two hours. And she's like, well, let's just stay here, the hotel. We'll we'll get some food over here. I was like, Well, I got two hours. I'm like, well, I'll just get a hotel key and I'll go get a lift in, you know, really quick before we even check in. So I went and got a lift-in um and was able to get that in. So, you know, for me, staying consistent is is extremely important. Um, it's one of those things that that helps me in in every aspect. Like, for example, um, for that lock in uh in airsoft this Saturday, you know, it was you know late at night, which I'm not used to playing airsoft at late at night, first and foremost. But I was on fire. I was killing everybody, you know, and and and I'm one of the most in shape there. You know, I'm running, I'm spritting, you know, I'm I'm dripping in sweat. And and but, you know, I didn't falter. I kept going and I kept pushing myself. And it was one of those things because of all my training, allowed me to be one of the best players on the field because of how consistent I am with how the how I do things, you know, across my life. So I think consistent consistency affords a lot of flexibility in what you can do in almost any aspect of the way you want to take it. Like, you know, we I can easily say, hey, you know, I'm not good where I'm at right now. So I need to, you know, I want to bulk up and get bigger. You know, I want to get more muscle, right? I'm not, I'm not happy where I'm at. Guess what? I have all the tools in place to do that right now. You know, now is that my desire right now? No, I feel great where I'm at right now. And in in the winter time, we'll we'll readdress that. But you know, it's one of those things where like, you know, just making small changes then has that impact of whatever your desired results are because it's built on a solid foundation. So my sleep's in order, my hydration will be in order, um, you know, my my routines are in order. So everything I'm doing is in order, and it's just making small tweaks to get to another, you know, desired result. If I want, you know, uh, one thing I started doing at night is um, you know, there's some dumbbells that sit next to my bed. And I want to make my shoulders a little bit bigger. So before I go to bed, you know, I do three sets of lat raises almost every night, you know, and and just putting my muscle under stress and growing my muscle because it's a new routine and I do it every night. And and I put the, you know, it's it's funny because I forget sometimes. And so I put I put the dumbbells on my bed. So I have to remove the dumbbells to go to bed. I'm like, oh shit, I didn't do this yet. Here we go, you know, and and so you know, just little things like that can make a big difference in staying consistent in everything that you're doing. Um, and and I think that's a fundamental that you know doesn't get enough of credit because if you stay consistent with something, then then the results will happen regardless of what you're doing. And you you made a comment earlier on something that that I really wanted to home in on, which is, you know, it's you know, how do I, you know, do this lift differently to get better results, or how do I, you know, do supplements, right? Well, the lift doesn't matter. That the it does to some extent, like technique. You don't want to injure yourself. But like, you know, like I was watching a video where some dude was, you know, I was like looking at it at first and it was a it was a joke, and this guy was like strapped with like a harness around a thing and he was he was angled downward and he had like this big block going down so that he could have full isolation of his his bicep muscle as he's doing his like hey, this is this is the new tech to build bigger, bigger muscle, right? You know, it's like this crazy contraction. He's basically floating in the air, you know, to get this bicep, so it's only his bicep that's engaging, right? That makes no difference whatsoever. And I studied a ton of that, right? You know, like you know, the Jeff Nippert stuff, I'd always watch Jeff Nippert thing, like, oh my God, he he figured it out. He figured out how to get bigger biceps. Like, I if I do this one one machine work, it's gonna no listen. If you're taking your muscle to fatigue or close to failure, you are gonna grow muscle, no matter what that exercise is. You know, like the other day I had I only had 20 minutes before my next call. It was just a pack day. And so all I did for my my workout routine is I literally did uh uh pull-ups, lap pull downs in row, uh bent over row, and I did uh 12 sets of preacher curls. And I can tell you, like, I'm just trying to flip back and forth, right? I'm not swapping out equipment. I'm basically doing the exact same workout, you know, with the same machine, same everything else, you know, but I'm literally going back and forth super quick. And I got it done in 20 minutes, and I'll tell you my biceps were sore for four days, you know? And and and I'm like, okay, so that that I got just as much out of that workout as if I was doing hammer curls. um you know behind the the the back you know bicep curls uh you know whatever it doesn't make a difference just doing it it the workouts can literally be 12 sets of leg extensions and leg curls and that's a phenomenal workout you know now i would i would agree you might get bored with that and there are different ways of attacking your muscle and stuff like that but at the end of the day you're getting the workout in it's taxing for your for your muscles your muscles are gonna grow but yeah you said they're like you stroke it with consistency and I I mean with the check-in yes that's one thing but like the truth of the matter is that you're still doing the stuff do you know what I mean and obviously we've been down the fucking rabbit hole and up and down it and inside out and fucking everything else and four days a week seven days a week three hours training two hours training but like you've been consistent across the board for essentially coming on six years of weight resistance training cardio and steps so you have been consistent with those things maybe not always to the same level or amount but I think that that's the point.
SPEAKER_01It's that expectation of even with myself if I didn't have an hour and a half and then half an hour to get myself together to come back I was like I'll just not do it. Doing 20 minutes or 30 minutes or 40 minutes is infinitely better than not doing anything at all. And it comes back then to the the just being consistent of doing the thing and being intentional with it. And the last point before we move on to what you want to talk about is like looking at your environment and I think that that is something that's often overlooked. You know people try and make this change or you know they want to improve the quality of their life or their nutrition or whatever but they don't change the environment that they're in like the physical location and the stuff that they have available you know the shitty foods and whatever else but also the the people that are around them. So like having the conversations with people around you is is I think essential to making sure that you set yourself up for the best success. And it's not that you have an expectation that they need to do it with you. It's just like get the support like have the conversation of why you're doing it and get the support because it will make the entire journey a little bit better. Yeah totally great. Right.
Stem Cell Banking And Longevity Tech
SPEAKER_01Now in the not basics at all complete other end of the spectrum over to you well I went down this rabbit hole this weekend which is very usual for me.
DaveBut um I heard a comment from uh Brian Johnson if you don't know Brian Johnson he's this guy that's really focused on a longevity and a lot of the stuff he's doing you know he's directly correlating you know big data, AI analytics, um measuring almost every component of his DNA structure, DNA damage, DNA longevity, epigenetics um you know probably one of the most comprehensive studies that he's doing himself you know he spends I'm gonna say like you know five million dollars a year on his body right you know in the testing he does and it's this rigorous cycle. And you know he has successes and failures. He's like hey you know I'm taking this and it it you know it's it's causing a deviation over here in my blood work so I don't recommend that you know and so you know he's he's kind of um become very popular um as a person because he wants to be the first person to live to like 150 years. Now recently he got diagnosed with um a genetic stomach issue that his basically his stomach is eating away at his body and there's nothing he can really do about it. So the the chance of him living to 150 probably non-existent. However, I heard an interview from him that made a lot of sense to me and I saw I started going down this rabbit hole this weekend and he he did it in software terminology or technical so it really resonated with me. And he's like listen think of your DNA as your hardware okay so your DNA is the hardware that you run off of that's your you know physical Mac device. And you know when you first buy a Mac it's it's pristine it's perfect, right? But as you start to use that Mac, you know, for years and years and years it gets convoluted with software which is your epigenetics and the hardware starts to break down you know and it gets slower and you might have a defect or you might crack your screen. And so what he was saying is you know your stem cells are a direct correlation to your DNA structure it's your hardware. And what what they're finding now and we don't have the technology to do this yet we do in some extent there's there's ways of doing this now but but in the next 10 to 20 years we will have the tech, okay? And what he was saying is that he recommends that you know you as the earliest age possible go get your stem cells you know cryogenically frozen um so that you have the hardware at its pristine level. So you don't have those breakdowns of DNA is because what happens over time is your cells get damaged, your DNA gets damaged so your body goes to repair it but it repairs it imperfectly which is why we age, which is eventually why we have cancer, it's eventually why we die. And so if you have stem cells that are cryogenically frozen at a certain snapshot in time when your hardware is good, you should be able to revert things like hey, if you're having kidney failure, revert the kidney back to its pristine hardware before those genetic defects were put into place. And so I started doing a lot of research on this and the the science looks really good on it. There's there's companies that you could basically do that you go you know to a doctor visit and they extract you know your pristine cells right now. So you know I just got my blood work done I just got cancer cells done. So I'm cancer free right now as I as far as I know I'm very good health wise. So right now I'm at 43 um age wise you know they say I'm 39, right? So with that, you know, right now is a good snapshot. So I want to go get my stem cells frozen but I also talked to my family about it and I think our whole family is going to go and do this where you know my kids at 16, 18 and my wife, you know, if you get your stem cells done when you're basically at your your peak performance, you know, as a as a teenager, you know, now you have a blueprint and the next, you know, so by the time they're 40 or 50, we should have the technology to be able to either A, reverse age, which is very possible, right? Or B, fix any genetic defects. So if they're having you know issues with cancer, the ability to resolve that and go back to that you know pristine hardware. So there's companies out there now that will do these procedures that you extract basically they make a small incision in like your fat store and they grab visceral fat um that contains stem cells and then they do bone marrow extraction for the bone marrow. So there's there's different stem cells for different areas, right? The problem with stem cell technology today is that it's not um it's not uh specifically targeting the areas that you want it focused on. So if you get stem cells you know placed into your body right now, you know, your body will use it for wherever it wants to go. So let's just say you you want to cure bad knees and you inject stem cells in well if you're like nah I don't want to fix the knees. I'm gonna fix this area over here, your right shoulder. So it's not like they have selectable stem cells for targeting various parts of your body but they will get there with that. And so you know it's really neat there's there's a there there's a a company um out there and I'll I'll find the name in just a second but um they they they offer this there's a bunch of them out there but they're really focused on like the longevity aspect of things and where technology is going. And so you know you basically pay a fee and they guarantee you storage you know for your entire lifetime you know whatever that is. And so you know that's that's kind of what I'm I'm gonna start focusing on is getting getting those stem cells taken you know right where I'm at now. It's called Forever Labs. There's also American cell technology, um Hope Bioscience, um, you know health banks USA but the one that I've been really kind of focusing on is the Forever Labs. And they have you know partners all across the the country that you go you know to a place that's located the closest one to me is Michigan and they will do the extraction for you. They cryogenically freeze it and then if you ever need it um you can do that. And so I was talking to my kids about it and they actually said Dad, well what happens if they don't take enough stem cells to fix that whatever issue and what they can do is they can replicate those stem cells because they have a direct DNA you know sequence that they can pull through they can replicate those stem cells. So you basically have unlimited stem cells for the age that you're at. And so you know if it's something you're interested in I haven't done pricing enter in so I don't know if it's you know a million dollars which then you know but no that's not going to happen. But I'd have to imagine it's not not terribly reasonably unforwardable uh from that perspective just to get those done as a preventative you know for the future. So that's something that that um you know I'm looking at scheduling here soon with with my family. We're all going to go down there, get our stem cells taken uh and then uh cry junk and freeze them for the for the future. So no I'm now it sucks because I'm 43 now you know I wish I would have done this when I was 20, you know, and and been able to repair. So you know I'm I'm giving that to my kids, you know, hopefully for them to be able to live you know longer and healthier life. And my one son Mason you know said something really important to me which I thought was interesting. He's like Dad, I don't want to live forever though I'm like that's that's a valid point. I'm like but what if what if you you know were in your 40s and you had you know a wife and kids and all of a sudden you got diagnosed with terminal cancer. Would you want to re revert that so you can live you know uh healthy within your life he's like yeah it's a good point. Okay, I'm good. You know so you know it's something to think about you know like what you can do to protect you know your your your health.
SPEAKER_01But I think that I saw this somewhere on the internet recently and it was like you know within the next five years there would be the expectation that humans will be able to live to 150 or whatever. And I'm like I only want to be able to live to 150 if I can be this version of me. Like I don't want to like just continue to get worse and be like in the nicest way possible totally useless for 150 if I can get another hundred years of this version of me then yes absolutely I'm in but if it's not that I might no 100% yeah and and and I think you know they're gonna get there.
DaveI mean we we mentioned this before on the podcast but uh Dr. David Sinclair he was able to take mice that were equivalent to 75 years old reduce their age back to 20 right and they're doing the first human clinical trials out of Stanford uh this year on on on reversing age in humans right now the human clinical trials right and so you know they're already getting there from that perspective but it's one of those things that I really think you know it's coming soon. And and when I say soon maybe it's in the next 10 to 20 years. But it should be within our lifetime but definitely our kids' lifetime. So if we have the ability to to to hit that blueprint now when everything's perfect then we should we should we should definitely you know do something like that.
Quick Wrap And Vegas Plans
DaveSure sure all right well I have to hop off I I've got a call in two minutes so that's okay. Um I guess I'll see everybody in Vegas. See you in Vegas man can't wait next week.
SPEAKER_01See you in a bit soon. Take care